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Saabeba
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« on: May 31, 2008, 07:22:52 PM »

Does anyone know if the A380 is referred to anything different than "heavy"?
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2008, 08:23:04 PM »

I've heard that the word 'jumbo' might be a possibility, but I rather doubt it.
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2008, 08:30:10 PM »

Does anyone know if the A380 is referred to anything different than "heavy"?

No, it is not considered "heavy" if you're talking about callsigns.  The FAA (and I believe JAA?) realized that putting this aircraft in the same category as the 757-300 and 767 did not provide adequate seperation standards.  A new "super" category and seperation standards were created.  So , to answer your question, when it comes to callsigns, they use the identifier "super" as in "Speedbird 420 Super, cleared to land" as opposed to "speedbird 420 heavy..."
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2008, 08:51:23 PM »

Does anyone know if the A380 is referred to anything different than "heavy"?

No, it is not considered "heavy" if you're talking about callsigns.  The FAA (and I believe JAA?) realized that putting this aircraft in the same category as the 757-300 and 767 did not provide adequate seperation standards.  A new "super" category and seperation standards were created.  So , to answer your question, when it comes to callsigns, they use the identifier "super" as in "Speedbird 420 Super, cleared to land" as opposed to "speedbird 420 heavy..."

That is cool.  Hard to not imagine ATC not clearing everything out of the way of the new "King" (sorry for the hyperbole).  I look forward to hearing it live.
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2008, 10:05:47 PM »

yeah it's a super in canada too. the new wake turb standards for super's are:
super behind a super= 4NM
heavy behind a super= 6NM
med behind a super= 8NM
light behind a super= 10NM

from what we have been told, it's gives off a crazy amount of wake turb, hence the new standards.
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2008, 11:35:42 PM »

now to go along with this "super" category that the A380 is in, is the Antonov 225 (the 6 engine beast used to transport the shuttle) also in the category?  I ask this because just looking at it, id figure that it would give off some hellish wake turb too!

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2008, 12:39:54 AM »

I will have to find a website that tracks the current A380s out there; both for visual spotting and live atc.
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2008, 01:07:08 PM »

now to go along with this "super" category that the A380 is in, is the Antonov 225 (the 6 engine beast used to transport the shuttle) also in the category?  I ask this because just looking at it, id figure that it would give off some hellish wake turb too!

-NAplaya

For some odd reason, the Antonov is not in this category, at least according to the FAA. When it landed here in Vegas a year or so back, they gave it the same separation standards as heavy aircraft (they had a SWA B737 following 5 in trail of it). Why, I have absolutely no idea.

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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2008, 08:33:28 PM »

now to go along with this "super" category that the A380 is in, is the Antonov 225 (the 6 engine beast used to transport the shuttle)

-NAplaya

The shuttle is flown piggy back on a converted 747 not the Antonov..

http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/crew/ferryflight.html
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 08:47:01 PM »

I look forward to hearing it live.

I have some clips from when it was on approach, tower, and ground at JFK that i'll post soon...it was really funny hearing these new yorkers. they couldnt believe they were actually calling the thing "super."
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 10:42:05 PM »

they use both the Antonov and the converted 747.
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2008, 10:07:41 AM »

they use both the Antonov and the converted 747.

The Russians used the Antonov during their short lived Space Shuttle program.  The American shuttle has always been carried on the 747.
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2008, 10:24:02 AM »

they use both the Antonov and the converted 747.

According to NASA, the US Space Shuttle has only ever flown piggy back on the two converted 747's that were built for that purpose.  Those 747's are currently flown by a NASA test pilot and former shuttle pilot.  I highly doubt that NASA (even as screwed up as they are sometimes) would trust the shuttle to anyone other then themselves.
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2008, 12:52:02 PM »

 Just to clear the air on this (so to speak!).


'The Buran spacecraft (Russian: Буран, "Snowstorm" or "Blizzard"), serial number 11F35 K1, was the only fully completed and operational (Russian) space shuttle vehicle.

Like its American counterpart, the Buran, when in transit from its landing sites back to the launch complex, was transported on the back of a large jet aeroplane. It was piggy-backed on the Antonov An-225 Mriya aircraft, which was designed for this task and remains the largest powered aircraft in the world.'

Source: Wikipedia
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2008, 05:56:03 PM »

oh my bad,  i saw the shuttle on the back of the Antonov on a youtube video, and assumed it was American, just because i didnt know that the Russians ever had a working shuttle.  lol

-NAplaya
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