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« on: April 11, 2011, 09:53:37 PM »

Sounds like AFR 7 Super clipped Comair 553 around the intersection of Taxiways Alpha and Mike around 8:05PM EDT.  Didn't sound like there were any injuries although the Comair did perform an emergency evacuation.  Initial reports are of minor damage to both aircraft.

Attached clip of JFK Ground edited to contain only relevant transmissions.  It's a bit choppy because of the two channels covered and also sounds like the Comair was on 1 ground freq. while the Air France was on the other.
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2011, 12:42:19 AM »

Somebody got home video of it... OUCH!  shocked Looks like the pax got a heck of a jolt.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Two-Planes-Collide-on-Ground-at-JFK-119666334.html
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2011, 02:10:23 AM »

heh, Sounds like the same controller who handled the Piper beach boy idiot. That guy's had a long week.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2011, 08:50:52 AM »

Just watched the video.

A couple of observations from this single engine private pilot wink

1)  The AF crew seemed a little unsure over the radio
2)  That being the case they looked like they were taxiing VERY quickly by any standards, especially in the vicinity of other planes. 

Interested to see how this develops.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2011, 11:37:37 AM »

That is why one should always keep their seat belts on after landing. That is some pretty dramatic footage.

The Comair pilot sounded so calm I did not think the impact was so bad for him. Seeing the video changed that idea.
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 11:46:29 AM »

Yeah, especially when you consider the fact that due to the fact that they were further from the pivot point being the wheels they would have travelled further and faster than those behind.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2011, 12:09:23 PM »

LiveATC edit acknowledged in AP video here: .
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2011, 12:24:51 PM »

Is this last night? Isn't the Comair flight from last night Comair Flight 6293 and not 553?
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 01:17:49 PM »

If you look at the photos, the back end of the Comair is well past the threshold. This, in my uneducated opinion, will be the fault of the ground crew for pushing the Comair out into the taxiway. The Air France, if on the taxiway and on the center line, should not have any interference with aircraft or ground crew's.
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2011, 01:25:11 PM »

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Isn't the Comair flight from last night Comair Flight 6293 and not 553?

Everyone in the media so far has been reporting it as Comair 6293 arriving from Boston, the source apparently a Delta spokesperson. This appears to be an error. Listening to the tape it was clearly Comair flight 553. This flight originates in JFK and operates to STL, the ATC callsign would be "Comair 553", the Delta codeshare flight number is 6553 which showed "cancelled" on Delta's website on April 11th.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2011, 02:35:31 PM »

Just watched the video.


2)   they looked like they were taxiing VERY quickly by any standards, especially in the vicinity of other planes. 



Looks to me like the video was sped up, making it difficult to estimate the speed of the plane.
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2011, 02:36:28 PM »

If you look at the photos, the back end of the Comair is well past the threshold. This, in my uneducated opinion, will be the fault of the ground crew for pushing the Comair out into the taxiway. The Air France, if on the taxiway and on the center line, should not have any interference with aircraft or ground crew's.

The aircraft was not pushed back.  When we are pushed out of the horseshoe, they turn us around so we are facing west towards Alpha on Mike.  This aircraft was inbound, and we are not permitted to enter the ramp too far without a marshaller and wing walkers.

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Isn't the Comair flight from last night Comair Flight 6293 and not 553?

Everyone in the media so far has been reporting it as Comair 6293 arriving from Boston, the source apparently a Delta spokesperson. This appears to be an error. Listening to the tape it was clearly Comair flight 553. This flight originates in JFK and operates to STL, the ATC callsign would be "Comair 553", the Delta codeshare flight number is 6553 which showed "cancelled" on Delta's website on April 11th.

The crew did say COM553, but I believe they might have been in error.  They were probably looking at their DSL and 6553 was the next flight they were to operate.  In a crazy experience like this, confusion is bound to be present.  Judging by the aircraft's position (facing inbound) the flight was pulling into the ramp, and not a departure.  Yes, I'm armchair quarterbacking this, but it's just my observation.
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2011, 02:38:03 PM »

Just watched the video.

2)   they looked like they were taxiing VERY quickly by any standards, especially in the vicinity of other planes. 


Looks to me like the video was sped up, making it difficult to estimate the speed of the plane.

Yes, either this video has been sped up, or Delta has Usain Bolt working the ramp in JFK (watch the speed at which the ramp agent runs at the time of collision).
Having operated many many flights out of this very ramp, I can say for a fact that JFK ramp agents do not operate with any speede whatsoever
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2011, 02:39:14 PM »

It hurts my heart when I see this picture, then look at my logbook and see this very airplane in there.  Not sure this plane will be salvagable.

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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2011, 02:44:31 PM »

Air France have lost Concorde, A320, A330, A340 and have now given the A380 a good wack.
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