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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2010, 10:48:30 AM »

Controlled or not controlled, they broke a major rule. I think not only should the controller be held responsible, but anyone who saw the kid in the restricted area. So is it ok for a surgeon to bring his kid to work and let his kid cut someone open? It's supervised so it must be ok! Come on guys!!

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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2010, 10:51:51 AM »

Do you have a link to that Air China recording?
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2010, 11:16:53 AM »

Well sounds like sure enough it was referenced that it all began at this site. Lovely

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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2010, 11:25:17 AM »

So is it ok for a surgeon to bring his kid to work and let his kid cut someone open? It's supervised so it must be ok! Come on guys!!

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From having a father who is a physician, and having been allowed into the OR on occasion to observe an operation in progress, I can assure you that "Bring Your child to work day" in a medical setting can and does happen safetly.  While I wasn't handed the knife, I was allowed to ask questions on what the surgeon was doing, and ask question about the ekg rythm, and the ventilator, as well as "feel" the ambu bag as it breathed for the patient in automatic mode.  I was instructed on putting on scrubs, and was never in any position to interfere with the doctors at work.  Unfortunately such an opportunity would be much more difficult these days with HIPPA rules.  

Now to the incident at hand, from listening to the recording, This is much to do about nothing,  at any time if the kid had made a mistake in callsigns (Not very likely.. in a REPEAT after me scenario.)  for take off clearences, the controller (Which was also heard on the freq.) would have also been plugged in with a headset and made a correction just like they do when they train new controllers.)

I say good for the controller, and good for KJFK tower for allowing this to take place, it's not often any more kids get a REAL opportunity to be shown where all the effort they are putting in at school will pay off.  

Just my two cents.
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2010, 11:26:52 AM »

Well sounds like sure enough it was referenced that it all began at this site. Lovely



Doesn't matter, even the actual tapes in the tower, are public domain and belong to the tax payers.....
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2010, 11:35:04 AM »

That was a different controller. Even if he had known that someone online would hear it he probably didn't imagine it would end up on CNN (who did credit LiveATC).
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2010, 11:39:20 AM »

Did anyone get a recording of this up yet?
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2010, 11:42:17 AM »

I hope it's investigated quickly, and, assuming there was no significant distraction found to have been caused by the incident, that the affected employees are put right back in the cab with minimal delay.

The amount of time and money invested in someone to get to the point where they're working JFK local cannot be insignificant.  Controller's should be pulled from the floor if they cannot do their job...but certainly not for this.

It was a lapse in judgment by the controller only in the sense that he should've known that if word got out, it would be completely and utterly blown out of proportion by the media and general public, forcing the FAA's hand.

As a kid, I got to adjust the heading selector on a SAS DC-9, and the #3 throttle setting on an Alitalia 747, after countless visits to cockpits on previous flights.  Those moments have stuck with me for life and helped fuel my enthusiasm for aviation.  I can only imagine the thrill for this kid, and what long-term impression it would've made on him/her (save for all the bad publicity).
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2010, 12:10:39 PM »

Dave,

It was really nice to hear Susan Candiotti read you defense of the controller live on CNN!

Very cool, minus the fact that she said LiveATC.com instead of .net  undecided!
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2010, 12:29:01 PM »

Hm, I thought it was cute.  Be nice to have a kid rather than that one grumpy dude I get at KTUS tower sometimes.
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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2010, 12:31:12 PM »

Dave,

It was really nice to hear Susan Candiotti read you defense of the controller live on CNN!

Very cool, minus the fact that she said LiveATC.com instead of .net  undecided!

+1, very nice to see that the print version included some level-headed comments from Dave, too.
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2010, 12:35:53 PM »

I remember thinking that was a bad idea when I heard it.

  You and I may know that safety was not compromised but you have to know that the flying public would find it disturbing.      Frankly  I would have been concerned that a grouchy captain would have had issue with it, much less the public.   

Its easy to fault  the press for reporting these kinds of things but it is the public's business to be informed about their safety as well as their government.  This is not an over exuberant press, this is a bad decision on someones part in a very public arena that has come back to bite.

Bringing you kid to work day is cool but it does not necessarily mean let them do your job day.

I don't think safety was compromised and I hope it ends up as just a lesson learned rather than any ones career being affected but I have a hard time understanding how he could have expected anything but whats happening now.
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2010, 12:38:42 PM »

Dave,

It was really nice to hear Susan Candiotti read you defense of the controller live on CNN!

Very cool, minus the fact that she said LiveATC.com instead of .net  undecided!

I was completely misquoted by CNN on the web.  But that is the media's job - misquote people for ratings.  Is the media really that desperate?

I have received many comments about this, and most of them are overwhelmingly in favor of the controller(s) there.  True, there are some professionals, some pilots and others, who are maintaining that this could have been unsafe.  

In the end, it is the controllers and the supervisors who run the facilities.  They all realize the communications are in the public domain.  And they are responsible for safe operations.  And JFK has a stellar record of safety.

And despite what we hear in a radio conversation, those facts are unchanged.  I still maintain my personal opinion that safety was not likely compromised and that there is nothing wrong with this kind of activity, in measured amounts and properly supervised.  Which this certainly appeared to be.

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2010, 01:01:56 PM »

Dave,

I have to agree with you and many others.   I am sure the kid was under supervision, probably moreso then an ATC trainee.   The kid was professional in his communication, even when the media said he was having fun.   It was no worse than other communications I have heard over the years.  The polits appear to have taken it as nothing more then normal operation, with the exception of the voice being younger.

Too bad there are kids out there that would love to have a parent like this ATC controller.

I can also see the reasonong behind the FAA investigation, since it was something out of the ordinary.   Now if the SEC would have had the same level of concern for the people over the Bernie Madoff issue, many would not have lost thier investments.
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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2010, 01:14:20 PM »

That kid did an amazing job, BUT human lives are in play even when it comes to takeoff clearance, so yes this was unacceptable.
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