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Offline keith

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2010, 12:31:12 PM »
Dave,

It was really nice to hear Susan Candiotti read you defense of the controller live on CNN!

Very cool, minus the fact that she said LiveATC.com instead of .net  :|!

+1, very nice to see that the print version included some level-headed comments from Dave, too.

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2010, 12:35:53 PM »
I remember thinking that was a bad idea when I heard it.

  You and I may know that safety was not compromised but you have to know that the flying public would find it disturbing.      Frankly  I would have been concerned that a grouchy captain would have had issue with it, much less the public.   

Its easy to fault  the press for reporting these kinds of things but it is the public's business to be informed about their safety as well as their government.  This is not an over exuberant press, this is a bad decision on someones part in a very public arena that has come back to bite.

Bringing you kid to work day is cool but it does not necessarily mean let them do your job day.

I don't think safety was compromised and I hope it ends up as just a lesson learned rather than any ones career being affected but I have a hard time understanding how he could have expected anything but whats happening now.

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2010, 12:38:42 PM »
Dave,

It was really nice to hear Susan Candiotti read you defense of the controller live on CNN!

Very cool, minus the fact that she said LiveATC.com instead of .net  :|!

I was completely misquoted by CNN on the web.  But that is the media's job - misquote people for ratings.  Is the media really that desperate?

I have received many comments about this, and most of them are overwhelmingly in favor of the controller(s) there.  True, there are some professionals, some pilots and others, who are maintaining that this could have been unsafe.  

In the end, it is the controllers and the supervisors who run the facilities.  They all realize the communications are in the public domain.  And they are responsible for safe operations.  And JFK has a stellar record of safety.

And despite what we hear in a radio conversation, those facts are unchanged.  I still maintain my personal opinion that safety was not likely compromised and that there is nothing wrong with this kind of activity, in measured amounts and properly supervised.  Which this certainly appeared to be.


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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2010, 01:01:56 PM »
Dave,

I have to agree with you and many others.   I am sure the kid was under supervision, probably moreso then an ATC trainee.   The kid was professional in his communication, even when the media said he was having fun.   It was no worse than other communications I have heard over the years.  The polits appear to have taken it as nothing more then normal operation, with the exception of the voice being younger.

Too bad there are kids out there that would love to have a parent like this ATC controller.

I can also see the reasonong behind the FAA investigation, since it was something out of the ordinary.   Now if the SEC would have had the same level of concern for the people over the Bernie Madoff issue, many would not have lost thier investments.

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2010, 01:14:20 PM »
That kid did an amazing job, BUT human lives are in play even when it comes to takeoff clearance, so yes this was unacceptable.

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2010, 01:19:32 PM »
Without hearing the previous conversations between the controller and pilots it is difficult to know if they knew the kid was being supervised. I see a lax of judgment between both the pilots and the controller from the limited conversations available.
     Why a pilot would accept a clearance from anyone he knew wasn't a controller escapes logic. I can only see a scenario of a kid sitting at the airport with his dad's hand-held transceiver listening to the ATC and start issuing clearances.   

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2010, 01:22:53 PM »
I would rather have a kids voice than some of the ones I encounter from time to time  :-D

 I have no issue with this at all. Like almost everyone has said, his father was telling him what and when to say it. I think that we need more of this in the aviation industry to spur some excitement in our Hobby/passions. Not one of the pilots was worried and all safety is still in their hands.

 Too many stories of people losig thier jobs, lay-offs and other bad news. I think this is light-hearted and a good story. If this kid was sitting at home with a handheld radio playing and directing traffic that would be another story.

 

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2010, 01:32:50 PM »
Seriously, The kid was only telling traffic they were clear for takeoff or to contact departure. He wasn't giving IFR clearances or vectoring anyone. Part of the FAA's mission statement is to promote aviation.

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2010, 01:36:32 PM »
Dave, you are spot on about the entire thing.  Much ado about nothing.  My only fear is for the poor guy's job.

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2010, 01:47:10 PM »
   to:  aevins post #2    regrets,  maybe you should have ,   i felt the same ..      dave  post #5  i agree,  right on !!!      speedotann  #15  =  NO COMPARISON in my mind.        aerolink post #16    google  air china 981         dave #27  AGREE         chaffe #30   pilots WERE advised ,    listen again..                                                                                                                   

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2010, 01:53:30 PM »
Ironically, one good thing that has transpired in regards to this forum is that this story is bringing out a lot of lurkers.  I've been on this site for years, yet this is this topic is the first one i've even made a post in!

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2010, 02:12:22 PM »
        chaffe #30   pilots WERE advised ,    listen again..                                                                                                                   

The first part of the recording was a takeoff clearance issued to JetBlue from the kid, so like I said before, without knowing the previous conversations it's impossible to know if the pilots were informed.

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2010, 02:26:21 PM »
First, there are others who listen to the aviation band frequencies.  Plenty of private individuals that don't even know about this web site.  The primary purpose of this site is pilot education, and entertainment as a second purpose.  The communications are in the public domain.

I find it offensive how the media finds something like this a real "story."  There is no story here.  It was a "bring your kid to work" day and I am sure it was a controlled and approved situation. 

Here we have a father, in this day and age, showing interest in his kid, and the world is so quick to call foul.  All the armchair "experts," and most of them never having visited an air traffic control facility.  And certainly not JFK Tower.  Only the best get to work at JFK, and it is a very well-run facility.

How many other parents show enough interest in their kids to show them their job?  This could be one of the most memorable trips for that kid.  And could even influence his future career plans.  We need more of this, properly supervised, not less.

Let it go.  Find some real news.





Thank God for people like you buddy. You took the words right out of my mouth. It is sad that the media spends its time talking about innocent and harmless stuff like this. Sully's situation, yes. 9/11, yes. Air France over the water in a storm, yes. Not this kind of crap. But that's the FAA and the media for ya. Take something so harmless and blow it up in order to get a story and publicity so that someone will get their check and a pat on the back. Sad to think it but is this something that we should worry about in terms of this site being shut down? That would be a crying shame all because the media has nothing else better to do. But that's what free speech will get ya sometimes.

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2010, 03:10:50 PM »
For comparison, how about this one?
Is this a kid, or a real controller (Working KBOS Ground today...)

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2010, 03:22:45 PM »
Without hearing the previous conversations between the controller and pilots it is difficult to know if they knew the kid was being supervised. I see a lax of judgment between both the pilots and the controller from the limited conversations available.
     Why a pilot would accept a clearance from anyone he knew wasn't a controller escapes logic. I can only see a scenario of a kid sitting at the airport with his dad's hand-held transceiver listening to the ATC and start issuing clearances.   

I think that is being overly cautious.  If there WAS an unauthorized transmission made, you can bet that the tower cab would pick up on it and alert pilots to disregard the message (there are procedures in place to handle that scenario).  The transmissions that were made by the kid were completely in context and expected by the pilots (takeoff clnc and instructions to contact departure). 

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Re: anyone know whos kid that was at jfk tower today? what a joke
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2010, 03:30:43 PM »
For comparison, how about this one?
Is this a kid, or a real controller (Working KBOS Ground today...)

HaHaHa... Funny... Sounds like a 10 year old boy...

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« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2010, 04:07:58 PM »
I listened to the clip today.  The kid was polite, cheerful and articulate.  He sounded much better than the controllers at their quickpace cadence. 

I hope the controller doesn't get more than a few days on the beach from this.  If liveatc didn't capture this, he'd probably get a talking to.  Besides, it's not like a transfer out of the JFK area would be punishment. 

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« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2010, 04:17:23 PM »
boy the media is having a field day with this one...lol   

I heard it for the first time today on HLN, and just wanted to say that personally I thought the kid did a great job, didn't studder or stumble with his words at all. I have heard a lot of ATC communications over the years, and if I hadn't noticed that he was a little guy from the sound of his voice, I would have bet that he had been controlling for 20 years.

The real sad thing is, if he thought at all about following in his dads career footsteps? I bet he don't now! That's a shame because he sounded to me like he would have made a great controller. Something that KJFK is short of... 

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« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2010, 04:55:04 PM »
Good Day All,
I am a newly registered member, read this story on CNN. Listening to aircraft has always been a hobby of mine and this site is great! I can't seem to find the clip you are discussing, where would it be?

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« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2010, 05:00:39 PM »
I have been a visitor to this fantastic site for soooooo long and finally registered as  a member today from UK.
The press and TV in UK are having a field day with this kid in jfk tower.

A hard one to call in view of the governing legislation controlling the job, but if as suggested it was a bring a  kid to work day to see what dad/mum does, I heard the tx and the kid was better than some regulars I have heard, it doesn`t make it right but as some one said it could I am sure it can be handled in house and I bet it won`t happen again.

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« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2010, 05:03:51 PM »
abqnav:
Flip back to the Feb 18 postings - 'new controller at JFK'


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« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2010, 05:27:10 PM »
I just found out about this site today, thanks to NBC News.  I think it is fantastic.
As a non-current licensed private pilot it helps me keep up to date with aviation.
As far as the child in JFK tower, here we go again with the media making a mountain out of a mole hill that will probably cause a controller to lose his job.  That is a shame, and I hope he doesn't.  Although it IS probably against the rules and it would have been terrible if, just by chance, something terrible happened at that particular time, no harm, no foul.  Until the FAA releases all the "facts", I think
the media and anyone else should leave well enough alone.

Now Capt. Sully retiring, is a newsworthy item.  Congratulations Capt. Sully!

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« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2010, 05:38:50 PM »
As a licensed pilot myself I see no harm whatsoever in what the controller did.

It's not like he left his kid there alone and abandoned his post..

I hope nothing happens to this guy.

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« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2010, 05:50:44 PM »
LiveATC is a double edged sword. More exposure to the profession, as well as more scrutiny by no nothing public. Previously it wouldve taken a foia request to get those tapes. Wonder who's the editorial ass clown who thought it'd be a great story instead of a feel good human interest story about inspiring yr kids to be something.