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« on: February 04, 2006, 09:45:11 PM »

This happened around 1917 EST, tower controller gave a pilot (Siberian 6253) instructions to hold at a certian taxi way, but the pilot did otherwise and ended up in the wrong spot. Then, the pilot wouldn't repeat the correct holding instructions. You can tell by the tone of the ATC's voice that he was getting very agitated. The clip is ALOT easier to understand if you find a map of the airport.

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2006, 10:01:59 PM »

YIKES!!!  You gotta respect the guys over there at Kennedy who deal with this stuff every night.  Great clip nitro, thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2006, 11:08:54 PM »

wow great clip     unbelevable embarassed embarassed embarassed but i dount know what happend complet ly   that guy got very mad at him      embarassed  evil  evil  evil  evil  evil  evil  evil  evil
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2006, 12:34:04 AM »

Wow that was incredible.  Those controllers really go through a lot with foreign pilots down there.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2006, 02:23:57 AM »

Great post.  Almost expect him to blow a whistle...
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2006, 07:00:37 AM »

Jeez that was crazy. It sounds like a language barrier was in the way here.
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2006, 08:44:25 AM »

here is a map of jfk who are interested....


* JFK_airport_map.png (56.48 KB, 399x576 - viewed 766 times.)
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2006, 08:54:07 AM »

LOLOLOL.....Found that pretty entertaininng, although that really pissed off the controller. They are great controllers. Ill try to edit the map to get Siberians route, just for fun.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2006, 09:01:50 AM »

Bit harder than it seamed, wont be able to do it. That is confusing shocked  shocked  shocked  shocked  shocked
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2006, 09:41:18 AM »

Here's what I came up with... green is where he was supposed to go, yellow is where he went, and red is at the point where the controller told him to stop his plain. BTW, the colors weren't done of purpose, I just realized it after I edited the picture (green, yellow, red). cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2006, 10:01:28 AM »

Thanks man! I started that exact thing and thought it was wrong angry Oh well, thanks alot anyway.


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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2006, 03:32:51 PM »

I believe that the carrier in question was "Iberian", but don't quote me on that.

At any rate, if a foreign operator should be familiar with any english terminology, the words "Hold Short" would be pretty high on my list.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2006, 03:38:22 PM »

I also think it's Iberian...

But that clip is definitely incredible.

I've got some other situations that look like that, it's always very impressive.

I've noticed that the hold short instructions are unkown to many foreign carriers. For example, at Montreal, when controllers ask to Air France to hold short, the french way to say it, they can't understand. Same thing for carriers like Cubana, CSA, etc (KLM and British are not included). Controllers end up to say "hold position" or "line-up" instead of "taxi into position".
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2006, 04:22:07 PM »

I also tought this was "Iberia" / "Iberian"... but the controller is talking about the G-A-T... and why would an Iberia plane park at the General Aviation Terminal?  Cool
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2006, 06:47:05 AM »

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I also tought this was "Iberia" / "Iberian"... but the controller is talking about the G-A-T... and why would an Iberia plane park at the General Aviation Terminal?  Cool



Iberian, siberian, its all good Cool
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2006, 11:21:59 AM »

Well, at least I tought Iberia pilots would understand english  rolleyes
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2006, 02:05:18 PM »

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Well, at least I tought Iberia pilots would understand english  rolleyes

They SHoud sounds like HO SHOR FWER WHITE
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2006, 03:06:57 PM »

it must be sooooo hard to work @ JFK  shocked
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2006, 12:59:28 PM »

"STOP YOUR PLANE, DON'T MOVE..." LOL that was great!
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2006, 03:46:14 PM »

I listened to it again last night.  Iberian 6253 Heavy

Its just hilarious..

"That guy cut in front of you American 952??"
"Uh, yeah, he's bigger than us though."

"American 952 Heavy didn't mean for you to get stuck behind this..." this what? LOL  

And then we have The Pass...
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2006, 04:49:43 PM »

Type rated but cant master atc communications, go back to ground school!
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2006, 05:44:50 PM »

Quote from: DTAK
I listened to it again last night.  Iberian 6253 Heavy

"That guy cut in front of you American 952??"
"Uh, yeah, he's bigger than us though."



I thought that was pretty damn funny too
 Cheesy
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2006, 06:37:03 PM »

I'm still trying to figure out what the pilot said after the ATC told him to taxi to the end of the runway 58 seconds into the audio clip:

ATC: "Iberian you need to taxi to the end of the runway it looks like, is that correct?"

Iberian 6253: "Correct... HuhHuh??"
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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2006, 12:34:01 AM »

This guy is my FAVORITE KJFK controller EVER.

I've heard him say "Stop your plane" one other time when GND giving taxi inst to 4L.

He's also famous for the exchange with UAL203 and the reply "Thanks I'm tryin' see ya babe."  When a pilot says "Have a good night".
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2006, 07:03:57 AM »

Is this the same controller that was on the TLC program about ATC that showed LGA, EWR, and JFK?
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