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« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2006, 12:04:31 AM »

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when you switch from say memphis center to atlanta center, they dont ask you for a read out of the altitude, they just give you an altimeter setting that is close to you...


Most pilot give their altitude when they check in on the frequency.


From the US AIM 5-3-1. ARTCC Communications, altitudes are part of the suggested check-in.   See the following quote.

(http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap5/aim0503.html#5-3-1)

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2. The following phraseology should be utilized by pilots for establishing contact with the designated facility:

(a) When operating in a radar environment: On initial contact, the pilot should inform the controller of the aircraft's assigned altitude preceded by the words "level," or "climbing to," or "descending to," as appropriate; and the aircraft's present vacating altitude, if applicable.

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1. (Name) CENTER, (aircraft identification), LEVEL (altitude or flight level).
2. (Name) CENTER, (aircraft identification), LEAVING (exact altitude or flight level), CLIMBING TO OR DESCENDING TO (altitude of flight level).

NOTE-
Exact altitude or flight level means to the nearest 100 foot increment. Exact altitude or flight level reports on initial contact provide ATC with information required prior to using Mode C altitude information for separation purposes.
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« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2006, 01:49:31 AM »

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when you switch from say memphis center to atlanta center, they dont ask you for a read out of the altitude, they just give you an altimeter setting that is close to you...this is also done when changing from say one sector of memphis center to another sector.


Are you implying that pilots who switch from Memphis Center to Atlanta Center never include their altitude on the initial check-in?


im sorry, what i meant was that they do not ask your altitude, of course checking in is something like "atlanta center, cessna xxx with you level 5" then the reply would be something like "cessna xxx, atlanta center roger, xxxx altimeterr 30.14"

i am by no means a low time pilot, so how about you leave your chastising me at the door.
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« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2006, 08:20:03 AM »

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i am by no means a low time pilot, so how about you leave your chastising me at the door.


Relax.  It was meant as a fact, not as a slam against you.
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« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2006, 04:57:07 PM »

Wow, either this thread is waaaaay of course now, or I need new charts...
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« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2006, 06:36:59 PM »

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Wow, either this thread is waaaaay of course now, or I need new charts...


It actually is not that far off.  It started with the audio clip of a ground incident at JFK and evolved into a discussion about communications and phraseology as a direct result of an exchange within that audio clip.

Phraseology, like "teaching spins," "what causes lift," and "high wing versus low wing," is a very active topic in aviation-related groups.
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« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2006, 03:05:02 AM »

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Wow, either this thread is waaaaay of course now, or I need new charts...


It actually is not that far off.  It started with the audio clip of a ground incident at JFK and evolved


Oh, I know how it started.  I don't need a lecture from you.
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« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2006, 07:26:44 AM »

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Oh, I know how it started.  I don't need a lecture from you.


I didn't see anyone here lecturing....lighten up a bit.
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« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2006, 08:04:20 AM »

It's that "New York atitude" from the clips--it's contagious...      cheesy
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« Reply #68 on: February 26, 2006, 08:34:55 AM »

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It's that "New York atitude" from the clips--it's contagious...      cheesy


..that must be it.

These "discussion forums" are exactly what the name implies: Where people can freely talk and express their opinions about a topic (LiveATC.net related) and support their statement(s). This doesn't mean you can't agree or disagree with someone's opinion, that's the exact opposite of a discussion, but please just try and lighten up a bit, understand other member's opinion(s) and let's all have fun enjoying what we all love to do here. I don't want to have to lock this thread.

Also--Read someone’s entire post before responding back to it. I've found myself before responding to an opinion that later changed in his/her post and found myself in an odd situation.

These ATC audio clips can be very controversial and are highly based on the situation the controller(s) were presented with at the time, which we most likely don't know.

So--now that all I have to say has been said, let's enjoy these great clips that our members post and in most cases commend the controller and/or pilot for a job well done.  This sure was an interesting clip with that NY attitude "flare" (no pun intended) to it.  Communication can be very tricky at times and shouldn't be taken for granted.   I have a friend in Korea who is an ATCS in the military and has a very difficult time understanding the pilots with thick foreign accents.

Thanks for your understanding,
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« Reply #69 on: February 26, 2006, 09:04:15 AM »

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Oh, I know how it started.  I don't need a lecture from you.


Two words, chief:  De CAF.
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« Reply #70 on: July 07, 2006, 10:52:19 PM »

The file is no longer up i was looking to get this file if somebody could repost.
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« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2008, 09:11:31 PM »

Wow this guys really have busy nights
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« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2008, 09:45:30 PM »

Actually, when a pilot checks on my frequency, if he was switched from a sector in my facility I am not required to verify his altitude.  If he was switched from ANOTHER facility I am required to verify his altitude.  Most won't but it is in the 7110.65.
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« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2010, 02:10:15 PM »

The file is no longer up i was looking to get this file if somebody could repost.

yes, can anyone repost please?
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« Reply #74 on: September 12, 2010, 09:21:16 PM »

At one point Air China and Korean were the worst airlines to communicate with. Iberian has been in the lead for some time now. I'm actually fling them in a couple of weeks over in Spain but no, I'm not flying them from JFK to Spain.
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