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« on: September 20, 2007, 07:26:13 PM »

Here's the news article:
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/14159777/detail.html

This is the aircraft (but not the flight):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N4256Q

Action is on the 1730z KBVI archive, takeoff clearance is just before the 9 min mark. Engine failure occurs a shade under 2 mins later.  The pilot handles the emergency beautifully.   The clip includes the relative chaos that occurs AFTER the incident has occured where a set of similar callsigns cause no end of trouble for the controller.

It sounds as though the original tower controller is replaced (does the supervisor jump on?) one call after the emergency is declared.  I'm guessing the controller is distracted by the coordination regarding the emergency and doesn't have his full attention on the aircraft in the pattern.  He makes repeated references to the 'incident southwest of the field' and apologizes to the pilots. 

I couldn't fit all of the chaos into the 5MB archive. Smiley

Full credit to the pilot for handling the forced landing beautifully and not stalling as is often the case during emergency situations where the instinct is to pull back.
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2007, 08:13:51 PM »

maybe the instructor steps in?  first controller sounds like a student.  doesn't bvi allow the cti students to "control"?? 
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2007, 10:13:17 PM »

Thats interesting to hear some old UND aerospace planes getting good use somewhere else.  UND aircraft normally use the "Sioux" call sign of the last 2 numbers of the n numbers
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2007, 07:36:57 AM »

I couldn't fit all of the chaos into the 5MB archive. Smiley

I ran across this limitation awhile back and I found that I could drop the bitrate in Audacity by a lot (somewhere around 64kbps or even less), which lowered the size of the file but did not overly impact the quality of the recording.  Mono, voice recordings such as our ATC feeds have that flexibility, unlike stereo music tracks.

Great clip nonetheless.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2007, 09:05:29 AM »

I was under the impression that using lower bitrates caused playback issues with winamp, no?
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2007, 09:11:58 AM »

No.  I believe you have that confused with the project rate setting, found in the lower left corner of Audacity.  It needs to be set to 44100 Hz, or 44 KHz.  Other settings there mess up playback in WinAmp.

The last clip I uploaded to this forum ("Mooney lands gear-up in Syracuse") was over 9 minutes long and only 4 MB in size.   I had dropped the bitrate to 64kbps from the Audacity (or is it the Lame MP3 encoder's?) default of 128 kbps to fit all that clip into the 5 Mb limit.

Go to Edit > Preferences in Audacity, then the File Formats tab.  The bit rate is at the bottom there.
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2007, 10:08:32 AM »

Oh boy, that's embarrassing.  That's what I get for posting too early in the morning before my brain is working. Good point!!
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2007, 10:56:28 AM »

I took the liberty of doing the audio on this, shortened for brevity, but including all pertinent info.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2007, 11:03:07 AM »

Hollis,

I was on the fence about whether to do a short version containing only the emergency related info, but I was intrigued enough by the other events that transpired, I decided to make the longer one.  Thanks for making the short version, too!
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2007, 11:59:30 AM »

Oh boy, that's embarrassing.  That's what I get for posting too early in the morning before my brain is working. Good point!!

Don't be embarrassed at all!  I stumbled through Audacity the first year Dave opened the Audio Clips forum and had to learn it by making mistakes and asking questions. 

Your contributions to the website are much more important and (if I can assume) much appreciate by all, even if it means you have a slight learning curve demonstrated in each clip.  Smiley   Keep up the excellent work.

 

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2007, 03:20:17 PM »

Hello everyone. Just thought I would put my two cents in... I'm a CTI student at CCBC, and I was in the tower when all of these events occurred. Yes, the first controller was a student, and the second voice over the frequency was indeed the sup. It was very intense for several minutes, from the time 56Q reported his engine failure to the time he reported safely on the ground. It was very busy... one sup on local, one sup communicating with fire, and the other sup on ground... very busy indeed!

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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2007, 10:53:59 AM »

Thanks for posting this Keith.  That has to be a helpless feeling seeing an engine-out aircraft decend into the trees like that.  Props to the pilot, he never sounded rattled.

I remember during my pilot training at BVI, frequently my instructor would ask me at various different phases of flight what I would do if my engine went out.  The answer off the departure end of 28 was always, "put it down on the golf course."
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2007, 05:14:28 PM »

Anyone know the flight school the planes heard in the traffic pattern are from?
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2007, 07:08:08 PM »

Those airplanes belong to the not-for-profit local Flying Club.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2007, 09:33:35 PM »

Those airplanes belong to the not-for-profit local Flying Club.

Is it a flying club or a flight school? 
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