Cessna lands on golf course (KBVI)

[Hollis]

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[KSYR-pjr]

Google/search the following site:
www.bvifc.org

Don't see any ND (November Delta) tail ids in that club's collection of aircraft.   As you may recall, the clip was full of ND callsigns.

I had asked because back in 2005 I had been to that airport once and remember seeing a lot of flight instructors walking around in white shirts and ties, along with boards on their shoulders.  It seemed at the time there was a moderately-sized flight school there, which may be the aircraft you hear after the emergency in this clip.

What is interesting to me is that both the pilots and the controllers use the abbreviated tail IDs to reference these aircraft, despite the fact that there were more than two of the same ending tail ID aircraft on the frequency at the same time.  My understanding is that when there are two or more like tail ids, the controller is supposed to use the full tail id to prevent any confusion as to who is receiving the instruction. 

[jonboudreaux]

Hello again...

The current flight schools on the airport are Moore Aviation and Quantum Aviation. All of the ND aircraft belong to Moore, which does the flight training for the school. 56Q belongs to Quantum. A few years ago (I believe in 2006), Pan Am used to have a flight school here, but they pulled out. That's when Moore came in.

As far as the same callsigns, we have an Arrow 806ND and a Warrior 266ND on the field. Every time we have them both on the frequency we are suppose to use their full callsign to prevent confusion.

Jon

[davolijj]

PJ,

I remember you flying your BE36 into BVI on an NGF mission back in 2005.  At the time, Pa Am Flight Academy had a pretty large presence there with a fleet of 22 Archers, 2 Seminoles, and a C152.  Most of the call signs ended in ***PA.  In fact we had a N623PA, N923PA, and N423PA frequently in the pattern at the same time and yes, we were required to use their full call signs.

Pan Am later went to Company Call signs (ie., "PanAm 11, PanAm 4, or PanAm 8-Sierra etc. for solo flights").  That helped with the similar call sign problem but made things more confusing because the call sign had nothing to do with the tail numbers.

[KSYR-pjr]

I remember you flying your BE36 into BVI on an NGF mission back in 2005. 

Yep, you were kind enough to send me a recording of my comms departing the airport (this was before the archive was so deep here).    My VFR class D communications are still as sub-par as they were then.   

At the time, Pa Am Flight Academy had a pretty large presence there with a fleet of 22 Archers, 2 Seminoles, and a C152.  Most of the call signs ended in ***PA.  In fact we had a N623PA, N923PA, and N423PA frequently in the pattern at the same time and yes, we were required to use their full call signs.

Ah, okay, that must have been it.  What happened to that school?  I take it they are no longer located there?

Pan Am later went to Company Call signs (ie., "PanAm 11, PanAm 4, or PanAm 8-Sierra etc. for solo flights").  That helped with the similar call sign problem but made things more confusing because the call sign had nothing to do with the tail numbers.

Ha.  Just goes to show when a problem is over-analyzed it actually becomes worse with the "solution."   

So, where does the FAA have you working these days, Jim? 

[jonboudreaux]

All of the Moore aircraft have "Moore" callsigns, but are not frequently used. The only time they really use the "Moore" callsign is when they will need radar services from PIT after departure. Other than that, they just use their regular tail number.

[davolijj]

So, where does the FAA have you working these days, Jim? 

Way down here in Memphis, TN.  I doubt you'll get down here much PJ but I'm always looking out for familiar tail numbers.  By the way, Memphis is apparently the allergy capital of America.  I found it kind of funny that my Allergy specialist flies a V-tail Bobanza....the original "doctor-killer."

[aviator_06]

Anybody know exactly happned to the plane causing the engine failure?

[jonboudreaux]

Well, nothing official... but supposedly something caused a vacuum in the fuel line causing the engine to quit. I've heard the FAA is having a field day over the maintenance records... 

[KSYR-pjr]

Way down here in Memphis, TN. 

Uh, oh.  Jim probably has a few more gray hairs after today.  From CNN:

Radar fails in Memphis; hundreds of flights affected

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/25/memphis.air.snafu/index.html?eref=rss_us

ATLANTA (CNN)  -- Air traffic controllers were forced to use their personal cell phones to reroute hundreds of flights Tuesday after the Federal Aviation Administration's Memphis Center lost radar and telephone service for more than two hours, snarling air traffic in the middle of the nation.

[davolijj]

Thankfully I was off