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mhawke
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« on: February 12, 2009, 11:53:38 PM »

Archive attached, I'll edit later.  20 minutes in lost contact.

I pray for the crew and passengers.

edit:  Added flight number
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 12:07:53 AM »

Thank you for posting quickly. Doesn't look like a good scene on CNN

FYI start listening around 17 mins
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 12:14:54 AM »

Here is the flightaware:

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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 12:23:06 AM »

Freezing rain is nasty stuff

(Edited to smack myself on the hand for speculating: I now see this indication that weather may not have been a factor- 

"County Executive Chris Collins said that there may have been as many as 50 people aboard the plane and crew members had reported mechanical problems as they approached Buffalo Niagara International Airport".  http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/577959.html

...although correct me if I'm wrong, there's nothing in the audio posted indicating mechanical issue)
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 12:26:15 AM »

Very sad. Other pilots also reporting icing conditions on the approach and around the airport and an aircraft landing after 3407 reported a "blip" in the ILS at about 1300 ft.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 12:33:32 AM »

14 min they are given a heading
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2009, 12:43:32 AM »


...although correct me if I'm wrong, there's nothing in the audio posted indicating mechanical issue)

I wondered when I heard that on local news here too.  I hear nothing in the audio.  It pretty much sounds like business as ussual and then nothing.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2009, 12:48:01 AM »


...although correct me if I'm wrong, there's nothing in the audio posted indicating mechanical issue)

I wondered when I heard that on local news here too.  I hear nothing in the audio.  It pretty much sounds like business as ussual and then nothing.


After listening to the rest of the (excellent) audio, I'm going back to the icing theory.  Very sad - after the relief of the Hudson River ditching, this one looks like no survivors.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2009, 12:50:49 AM »

Fox news is reporting 49 dead.  Now I hate to speculate but since FAA says there was 48 on board, I would assume 1 on the ground was killed (EDIT: Now confirmed by Fox). Very sad news here, especially after the whole Sully "miracle".

Condolences to all the families affected.

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2009, 12:54:39 AM »

15:22 - Last contact with 3407

17:22 - Another plane is asked to keep an eye out for the plane.

20:30 - Fire/police notified.

21:50 - Emergency declared.

24:00 - Dash 8 didn't make the airport.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2009, 12:58:28 AM »

From what I heard, definitely sounds like icing since other a/c reported up to 1/2 inch of rime.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2009, 12:58:37 AM »

Here is my edited clip of the events
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2009, 12:58:57 AM »

Aircraft   De Havilland Canada Dash 8-400 (twin-turboprop)


Are turbo props more likely to ice over, then a jet?
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2009, 01:03:17 AM »

Why at the end do they keep talking about the localiser?
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2009, 01:05:51 AM »

Why at the end do they keep talking about the localiser?

To make sure that everything was operating correctly, if not it could have easily been the cause of the crash and the airport would have then been closed in those bad conditions.
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