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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2007, 02:29:34 PM »

There is a VFR pattern at all airports. Generally all turns are to the left. Downwind is parallel to the runway. Base is perpendicular from the runway (before you turn final). "Left" and "Right" are the terms used to designate which way they will turn (i.e. left turn or right turn).

While it is true that left turns are typically standard unless otherwise specified at uncontrolled airports, towered airports normally do not make the assumption that all aircraft on a visual or those approaching VFR will use a standard pattern (at least when speaking of US airports).  Rather, ATC will normally grant left or right pattern depending on where the arriving aircraft is approaching in relation to the landing runway or whether a specific pattern will facilitate the arrival/departure of the commercial airliners.

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So by the time they call the tower, there about 4000MSL (a little higher than 2000AGL, Peter).

What do I know?  I only fly those little spam cans.  Smiley 
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2007, 04:14:19 PM »

We actually started our decent as we crossed over Pittsburgh from 29000 feet. I could tell because I recognized 3 Rivers Staduim as it was a very clear night....

Actually they demolished 3-Rivers Stadium several years ago.  Heinz field is the new home of the Steelers.

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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2007, 05:34:45 PM »

BUF Tower indeed has a BRITE in the cab (actually they have 4, i believe)...

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't BUF have STARS??  The STARS version of a BRITE is called a TDM or Tower Display Monitor.  I know the old guys probably still refer to it as a BRITE but the two pieces of equipment are so different it'd be like refering to a CD player as an 8-track.

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What do I know?  I only fly those little spam cans.

Peter, your knowledge of flying in the central-western NY area is unmatched by anyone I know, and even as a controller your posts always garner my attention.
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2007, 05:48:02 PM »

Peter, your knowledge of flying in the central-western NY area is unmatched by anyone I know, and even as a controller your posts always garner my attention.

Thank you, JD, for the compliment.  It is nice to see that all that $$$ I am throwing away on avgas results in something other than exhaust fumes blowing above the skies of central and western NY.  Smiley

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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2007, 06:59:09 PM »

I guess I still think of it as Three Rivers Stadium because of its location. Thanks for hopping in your plane, snapping a pic and uploading it though, came out nice!

 Dan (Buffalo Bills fan)
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2007, 07:36:16 PM »

Peter, yes you're correct. I just threw it in quickly because i had to go to the airport today, so it was little rushed. We just started the 100hr on the C172. I fly those spam cans too! Are you a controller?

Davoli, Yeah we have the STARS, but as you said, everybody still calls them BRITEs. And agreed about Peter. That taxi had to be fun! Just remember, if you start sliding, cob the throttle and use the rudder! That reminds me, i just went on a long IFR XC with my CFII to HPN and LKP SUnday. HPN was fun and LKP was a solid sheet of ice. The IAP was fun into LKP and was topped off with the view (that i only say at the MDA) and the very icy runway with a drop off at both ends!

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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2007, 02:11:03 PM »

I fly those spam cans too! Are you a controller?

I wish.  I tried to get accepted into the program back in 1990 when I was 26, but for whatever reason scoring a 90 on the civil entrance exam was not good enough to even receive approval to move to the next step.   That was also the year I interviewed for an F-16 slot at my city's own Air National Guard unit.  Due to my blundering, I blew that interview.  My name was not meant to be on the government payroll apparently. Smiley 

Since then I became a software consultant and now run my own consulting company.  There are days I still wish I could be in front of a scope or in the tower, though.  Go figure...
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2007, 02:24:53 PM »

The STARS version of a BRITE is called a TDM or Tower Display Monitor[/quote]

JD, your such an Enroute guy now that your gettin a little rusty on terminal stuff. Im just messin with you. But it's TDW (Workstation), remember?
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2007, 02:51:20 PM »

Ok, i didn't know that as i'm still fairly new here.

Well, BUF is different because we have three (i think i got the right number now) BRITEs...i mean TDWs and an actual radar display (actual STARS scope) that hangs from the ceiling.

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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2007, 08:29:15 PM »

JD, your such an Enroute guy now that your gettin a little rusty on terminal stuff. Im just messin with you. But it's TDW (Workstation), remember?


I see how it is Ed....I've been outcast to Z-land already huh?  And in less than a year. cry

The whole setup is called a TDW, and it includes one or more keyboard/trackballs, a Tower Audio Alarm Unit (TAAU), a Display Control Panel (DCP), a TDM, and an optional Secondary Display Monitor (SDM).  In the context of this discussion the TDM is relative to a BRITE.  If Greg had referred to a CONRack I would have referenced the TDW.
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2007, 08:59:30 PM »

I can refer to a CONRack if you tell me what it is!  grin

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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2007, 08:59:55 PM »

This has nothing to do with the emergency landing in Buffalo but take a look at this news clip...pretty shocking :  
http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=167944
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2007, 09:16:08 PM »

I can refer to a CONRack if you tell me what it is!  grin

It's a D-BRITE control panel associated with ARTS tower equipment.  You'd never see one at BUF since they have STARS.  Ask some of the old guys, they'll tell you about it.
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2007, 03:26:15 PM »

Thanks,
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2007, 12:17:33 AM »

Ask some of the old guys, they'll tell you about it.


I won't bite, JD.  You tell him what it is.

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