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« on: January 10, 2008, 09:31:16 PM »

I'm surprised nobody caught this little incident.

Skip forward to about 13 mins into the clip for CHQ6394

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2008, 09:53:52 PM »

Sounds like they landed and just the tone (urgency) of the controllers voice influenced the pilots to probably try to exit the runway faster than normal.  Thats the picture I have in my head depending on where they went off into the grass.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2008, 05:01:20 AM »

My first post after lurking and monitoring the forums for a while!!
Great find...It was great to hear that transmission and hear how fast/efficiently the controllers switched everything to the 22 runways. Also, I noticed at the end that one of the planes later asked a controller for the tower number and controller initials.  At first I thought that maybe he was complimenting about how efficiently they were handling the runway switch, but now I wonder if it was to discuss the plane going off the taxiway.  I could not catch the call sign who asked, but I am pretty sure it was not the CHQ6394 who went off into the grass because he had been told to monitor ground.  The request is at the 29:00 minute of the recording.

The only other time I have heard a request for the tower controller's initials was in San Francisco last week with the windshear and microbursts and an aircraft wanted to compliment him on the excellent reports he provided.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2008, 06:18:11 AM »

It was CHQ6394, at least that's who reports they were in the grass.  The reason for the frequency request was because they reported in the grass, then tower didn't talk to them again.  CHQ needed a frequency to talk on for requests, etc. 
I'm just guessing (hey, this is the internet, right?), but the request for tower number and initials was probably from someone who heard the incident (tower unprofessionally hurrying someone to get off the runway) and wanted to report it.  We don't need to be told to hurry off the runway.  We know that we can't stay on the runway, and we know that there's someone behind us on final.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2008, 02:32:49 PM »

Were you workin this day cessna?

Independent question:

Upon landing, are you always given a taxiway on which to turn off, is it predetermined, or is it pretty much whenever you slow down enough to exit?
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2008, 05:05:57 PM »

Nope, not working.  I'm in training all this month.  Movin up to the heavy metal.  Unfortunately that means I'll be hitting JFK a lot more than I have been (I haven't seen JFK since mid November, and am very happy)

To answer your second question, it's a combination of the 2.  In our approach briefing that we conduct every flight, we go over anticipated runway turnoffs and directions.  Basically, this part of the brief would be "We'll expect a right turnoff, probably either M or MB".  Of course, when we land, we will turn off on the first one that we can safely make.  We usually head for the paved areas..........
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2008, 05:21:19 PM »

Hey Cessna congrats on moving up. What equipment will you be in?
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2008, 05:30:39 PM »

CRJ700 and CRJ900.  Been in ground school all week.  In the 700 simulator next week.  They are some nice peices of metal.  The 900s that we're getting are brand new airplanes, so that'll be nice with the first class and the new-regional jet smell.  Except I'd hardly call the CRJ900 a regional jet.  It's bigger than a DC9, and has the same landing gear as a B-757.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2008, 05:33:57 PM »

Good deal. Gonna be like driving a new car for a little while. All the new smells and a few new gadgets. Good luck and keep us filled in.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2008, 11:51:31 PM »

The 900s that we're getting are brand new airplanes, so that'll be nice with the first class and the new-regional jet smell.

Ohh la la, 900s  tongue Since we get them in Philly, let me know if you ever come in. Would love to chat for a bit.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2008, 12:21:57 AM »

CRJ700 and CRJ900.  Been in ground school all week.  In the 700 simulator next week.  They are some nice peices of metal.  The 900s that we're getting are brand new airplanes, so that'll be nice with the first class and the new-regional jet smell.  Except I'd hardly call the CRJ900 a regional jet.  It's bigger than a DC9, and has the same landing gear as a B-757.
You're not serious are you? Name one major that flys the 900. BTW the RJ part of CRJ is "Regional Jet"
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2008, 08:25:02 AM »

Oh let's not start this discussion.  Yes it says CRJ.  Bombardier never tossed the CRJ unlike Embraer did with the 170+ series.  The CRJ900 is widely considered the competitor with the E(RJ)-175.
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2008, 12:59:44 PM »

CRJ700 and CRJ900.  Been in ground school all week.  In the 700 simulator next week.  They are some nice peices of metal.  The 900s that we're getting are brand new airplanes, so that'll be nice with the first class and the new-regional jet smell. Except I'd hardly call the CRJ900 a regional jet.  It's bigger than a DC9, and has the same landing gear as a B-757.
You're not serious are you? Name one major that flys the 900. BTW the RJ part of CRJ is "Regional Jet"

cessna157 is a pilot who flies regional jets for fun and profit into places like KJFK.  My interpretation of his comment was that he was merely pointing out that the 900 is so big that is defies the concept of a regional jet, despite its use or designation.   
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2008, 01:10:31 PM »

Haha, yeah, that pretty much summarizes what I was trying to say.

Except for the fun/profit part.  I absolutely love my job.  It's my hobby, it's my passion......except for the JFK part.  Flying into JFK isn't exactly a hobby of mine.  I don't mind the ground traffic on the taxiways, lines for takeoff, etc....  It's all of the other stuff that those who don't fly DCI airplanes don't see.  It's the stress of trying to get boarded up in time.  Its the stress of Delta's much overcrowded and outdated terminals.
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2008, 01:25:57 PM »

Except for the fun/profit part.  I absolutely love my job. 

In my best Foghorn Leghorn voice, "That was a joke , son. I'm pitching 'em but you ain't catching 'em."
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2008, 10:46:46 PM »

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You're not serious are you? Name one major that flys the 900. BTW the RJ part of CRJ is "Regional Jet"
     

   Way to step right into a conversation you know nothing about. I'd suggest you refrain from that type of stuff here. We know he flies the CRJ-200. If you read the previous statement that the CRJ9 is bigger than a DC9 and uses the same landing gear as 757, you'd understand that is moving to heavy metal for him. Keep an open mind and don't act like a know-it-all. These forums are friendly and I'm grateful to be able to interact with the folks that are employed in the aviation industry, both controllers and pilots alike. Im neither but have been an aviation freak for a long time. I enjoy coming here to learn everything I can. One of the reasons I never joined ANET was because of the sarcasm that goes on in the forums there. All I ask is to please keep it nice for everyone involved.
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2008, 05:20:02 PM »

well since we're on the topic of "heavier" metal....Colgan Airways based in Manassas, VA. (Flights out of IAD)  are getting rid of thier Saab 340s and going to the Dash 8 402Q.
The DH8D, cruises at about 280kias at 13,000ft.  i had one almost run over a couple of kingair's going up to TEB yesterday. 

They don't have B757 gear (nor does the rj), but the DH8D is a sweet ride!

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1307374/L/
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2008, 05:29:43 PM »

<drool>

I'd love to fly the Q400.  I've heard nothing but good things about them.  They don't have that pesky little annoyance of the landing gear coming up on landing like the 200 does I hope?
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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2008, 08:21:23 PM »

yeah...they fold up into the engine cowlings. 

who do you fly for?
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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2008, 09:24:41 PM »

I'm a CRJ 700/900 driver for OH
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2008, 12:20:43 AM »

I heard that as well not too long ago about the Dash 8's. Have they started integration yet or when do they plan to start? Cessna I have another question for ya. What road did you take to get to where you are? Im just curious. I was out at our airport today and signed up to start lessons in April. Ive finally read enough books, flight simmed, and flat out driven my wife crazy talking about aviation. She threw the checkbook at me and said just go do it or you'll regret it. I think the final straw was when she saw me typing on this forum last night at 1230 am. Im still never gonna let her have the window seat until Im doing the flying though. evil
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2008, 12:29:04 AM »

Movin up to the heavy metal.

Here's a picture of the CRJ 900 in Lufthansa colors, cessna's heavy metal...realllllll big  grin

(I just had to wink...we love you man!  Thanks for answering my earlier questions)



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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2008, 07:47:31 AM »


Here's a picture of the CRJ 900 in Lufthansa colors, cessna's heavy metal...realllllll big  grin

Haha, well when you put the 2 together, it kinda takes my thunder away.  Actually, that's a CRJ100/200 (my old bird).  My new metal is much larger than that tiny thing.  First day in the sim today.......eeeek

Here's an awesome picture of my "heavy metal":


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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2008, 09:16:27 PM »

Why do people keep saying the CRJ 900 has the same gear as a 757.  Looks nothing like a 757 gear but what exactly if anything is the same?
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2008, 11:10:27 PM »

The tires are the same, and rumor has it pieces of the strut are identical.  I realize that the landing gear trucks are vastly different (2 tires per main vs 4).  I'm not sure, I just flew the sim for the first time today.  It's landing gear looks like a huge spider.  I'm just telling you what they told us in systems.  I should be in the airplane late next week.  I'll let y'alls know
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