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« on: April 20, 2006, 08:52:45 PM »

Does anyone know what she means by "are you a golf or foxtrot"?

See http://www.liveatc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1798 for previous discussion.
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2006, 12:53:10 AM »

This is right in my backyard, as I fly out of City Center (CYTZ). Every Canadian Reg plane starting with either Charlie Gulf (C-GXXX) or Charlie Fox (C-FXXX). The City Center Controller was thus just trying to verify what the exact reg on the plane was. As SOP for Cdn reg planes usually is to just give your last 3 letters when talking to a Canadian ATC, the city tower controller was just looking for some clarification.

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2006, 09:51:26 PM »

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the SOP to give the last 4 letters and only shorten to 3 if initiated by ATC?  At least that's the way we do it at Buttonville (CYKZ).
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2006, 09:40:20 AM »

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the SOP to give the last 4 letters and only shorten to 3 if initiated by ATC?  At least that's the way we do it at Buttonville (CYKZ).


Yes, you're correct. Infact, there is even two questions on the PSTAR test about it.

Always give the last four letters until truncated by ATC. I've caught ATC at Buttonville *not* truncating it sometimes... so you gotta stick with the full one.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2006, 03:30:04 PM »

Cool too see some fellow Buttonville flyers here!
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2006, 05:48:42 PM »

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Cool too see some fellow Buttonville flyers here!


I thought I was the only one Wink I take it you fly out of YKZ too?

There used to be a Buttonville feed here, but no more. I'm trying to find some people who live near the airport to host the computer+scanner so that we can get it up again.
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2006, 10:50:01 AM »

Oops, yeah that was a tyop...I meant to say that SOP was that 4 letters were spoken to Canadian ATC, whereas in the US, its one says (Canadian, (G)(F)XXX. Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2006, 04:43:41 PM »

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Cool too see some fellow Buttonville flyers here!


I thought I was the only one Wink I take it you fly out of YKZ too?

There used to be a Buttonville feed here, but no more. I'm trying to find some people who live near the airport to host the computer+scanner so that we can get it up again.


I also thought I was the only one as well!!! Yeah I fly out of YKZ. I keep hoping for the feed to go back up. I would do it but I am a tad far from the airport like Don Mills and York Mills.

I am usually there on Tues and Thurs at 1 for lessons. I am almost complete. We should meet up. Feel free to email me.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2006, 07:17:29 PM »

Yeah I fly out of YKZ as well.  I'm close to finishing up too.  I usually fly on the weekends in the mornings.  I love flying out of YKZ.  Gets really busy sometimes doesn't it!!  The list of feeds shows YTZ/YKZ but I've never really seen it up though.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2006, 10:39:22 PM »

Neither have I. Just got a scanner for my bday on Tuesday. ar-108 and I can pick up 124.8 pretty clearly. Although some static due to height and distance.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2006, 11:10:46 PM »

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Yeah I fly out of YKZ as well.  I'm close to finishing up too.  I usually fly on the weekends in the mornings.  I love flying out of YKZ.  Gets really busy sometimes doesn't it!!  The list of feeds shows YTZ/YKZ but I've never really seen it up though.


Yeah.. its a great airport.. I love it when the circuit is busy though Wink

I believe the person who used to run the YKZ feed moved.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2006, 12:32:37 PM »

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Yeah I fly out of YKZ as well.  I'm close to finishing up too.  I usually fly on the weekends in the mornings.  I love flying out of YKZ.  Gets really busy sometimes doesn't it!!  The list of feeds shows YTZ/YKZ but I've never really seen it up though.


Yeah.. its a great airport.. I love it when the circuit is busy though Wink

I believe the person who used to run the YKZ feed moved.



I know what you mean.  A couple of weeks back when I was coming in from the north and 15 was the active, I was told to cross over head the field and join the right downwind.  A couple of planes behind me were told to do the same!  Usually I get a simple join the left base.  The downside to a busy circuit is the long wait on the ground for takeoff clearance.  But the ATC guys are great in trying to clear you as soon as possible.
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2006, 01:20:48 PM »

I think my record was number 5 to land, there were two on final 1 on base, another ahead of me in the downwind.

It's not all cessnas either. I've taken off behind a helicopter, and landed behind a jet (Think it was a gulfstream or learjet - following that thing in the circuit was scary).

That is partially the reason why I'm trying to find someone to host the feed for that airport. It's always active, with a wide variety of aircraft buzzing around. Not to mention the fact that there seems to be quite a few people in these forums that live around, or fly out of that airport.

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2006, 02:34:55 PM »

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That is partially the reason why I'm trying to find someone to host the feed for that airport. It's always active, with a wide variety of aircraft buzzing around. Not to mention the fact that there seems to be quite a few people in these forums that live around, or fly out of that airport.


Isn't the CZYZ feed already covering CYKZ as well?
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2006, 11:04:20 PM »

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Isn't the CZYZ feed already covering CYKZ as well?


Yes and no.

I asked Buzz to add it to the list, however his antenna/scanner can't pick it up.
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