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« on: December 29, 2006, 04:34:08 PM »

Peter,

I was out in you neck of the woods today on an IFR XC. 9G3 - KSYR - KELM - 9G3.

I was flying with another good friend and instructor. NOTE: i fly with two instructors because i'm working on getting both my IR and PPL on the same checkride when i turn 17 in March, so i need to fly a lot. Both my instructors are good friends (so i'm not going behind anyone's back). This gentleman happens to be a captain on the 747 for NWA.

As you can tell, we both like to talk on the radio! He called departure on the way out because he was curious about the ASDE radars (interesting discussion) which SYR does not benefit from!

How's this for a little more inflection?  Wink

Here it is...i called in on the last 30 minutes section, but i couldn't get it into the post.

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Greg
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2006, 10:37:55 PM »

Hey, Greg!  You are coming along nicely!  Sounds great. 

Thanks for including the additional conversation about the ASDE radar.  I wasn't aware that those two radar towers were test towers either.  Learn something new every day.  Too bad Syracuse and Buffalo didn't have ground radar since there are many days, especially in winter, when tower cannot see aircraft ready to depart at the approach end of the runways due to heavy blowing snow.

Be sure you post your checkride experiences here when you pass in March.  I look forward to reading about them and listening to your audio clip.

Another point about SYR:  Local news just reported that the SYR airport will be losing seven controllers (http://tinyurl.com/ycs3ae) by the end of the next year due to retirement.  Man, that's a lot of ATC walking out the door. 

Keep up the great work.

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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2006, 11:02:38 AM »

Hey, Greg!  You are coming along nicely!  Sounds great.

I agree..much more interesting than the Ben Stein impersonations from before.  Also pretty easy XC huh??  I-90 the whole way  wink

Thanks for including the additional conversation about the ASDE radar.  I wasn't aware that those two radar towers were test towers either.  Learn something new every day. 

My guess is that those test radar antennas belong to Lockheed Martin which is only a stone-throw from SYR.  I haven't been home in a while, I know the SYR ASR is there...are there other ASRs being tested there as well or just  ASDE sensors?
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2006, 06:22:34 PM »

Thanks guys!

After listening to myself with the monotonous voice (listened to myself only just recently), i decided it needed to go.

It would be nice to have the ASDE at BUF, but from the tower we can see pretty well, expect when we go into the bases of the clouds! BUF's losing some controllers as well, but i don't think the number is near 7, though.

Davolijj, thanks  cheesy.

Easy...i wouldn't say that easy. It was an IFR training flight, so when we got on top on the clouds, i put on the hood. So i was navigating from inside the cockpit.

We spent some time on the holding ramp just south of the approach end of 10 (where the F16s do their pre takeoff checks). So we had a face full of the ASDE radar antennae...we thought they were ASR radars as well.

Unintentionally, my CFII insulted SYR (if you listen to the discussion about the ASDE, "I see those at big airports!")

Thanks,
Greg
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2007, 10:27:41 AM »

Greg,
  I heard you this morning (Saturday) chatting with the controllers at Buffalo. Was it as slow of a ride into that headwind as he thought it would be?
 
 Dan


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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2007, 06:40:18 PM »

That would be me!   grin

I was at the TRACON last night and was talking to a guy, Lou, who said he was going to be in today and that i should stop by. First, i told him i couldn't, but ended up doing so anyway.

Indicating 100 knots at 4000, GS was 55 knots.

At DKK, holding with the nose pointed right into the wind, we throttled back to 60 indicated to see what would happen...GS of 10 knots from the GPS.

Slow ride there, quick ride back. Oh boy was it bumpy!

Greg
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2007, 08:44:36 AM »

I would really like to get a tour of the tower someday.  How is that set up at Buffalo, are the TRACON guys in the same building where the actual tower is or are they somewhere else?  I have a relative that works for Delta in L.A. and she got me a tour of the tower at LAX a few years ago....really cool.

 Dan

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2007, 10:26:15 AM »

TRACON is attached to the tower. The radar room is on the ground floor and the tower is, of course, at the top of the tower.  Sorry it's so quick, i have to go to work!

Greg
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2007, 10:49:33 AM »

I have a Archive question....I wanted to download the 30 minute clip of my USAIRWAYS flight into KBUF last Wednesday just to hear what comms went on during our approach. The halfhour clip on 1/3/07 from 11:00pm to 11:30pm only played 15 minutes in winamp not 30 minutes. Anyone run into this before?
 
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2007, 02:41:16 PM »

Too bad you aren't coming in this afternoon. I'll be there!

Never had that problem. What flight # were you?

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2007, 04:50:30 PM »

I don't remember the flight number, it was a USAir 737-400 from Atlanta. We landed around 11:30pm. The pilot told us the winds in Buffalo were out of the north so I expected runway 5 but we landed on 23. I think our pilot had his north and south confused.
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2007, 08:51:28 PM »

Dan,

I doubt it. If they're using 23 and the wind is out of the north, they'll stay on 23 until the wind becomes more of a factor. Remember, the wind is always variable.

It's not uncommon to see some aircraft depart with a tailwind (such as on 14 with northerly winds).

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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2007, 12:56:35 PM »

Listened to the Syracuse feed this morning during the big lake snow blast, great sounding feed you have there. Was that Bonanza able to get out?

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2007, 02:31:32 PM »

Listened to the Syracuse feed this morning during the big lake snow blast, great sounding feed you have there.

Thanks.  However, I still have a background hum in the feed that I cannot seem to eliminate.  As of now the hum is a good indication of whether my streaming audio player dropped the connection or not.  Smiley

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Was that Bonanza able to get out?

Yep, I took off around 9:15a local time, just before the lake effect band of snow moved south over the airport.  Winds were a-howling, both at SYR and upon landing at BUF with gusts up to 39kts.  Not one of my best landings at BUF as I slammed it on the runway like an F-14 dropping onto a carrier deck right in front of a waiting Southwest B737.  No bent metal, though, and in reality, one would prefer to get down very quickly rather than float above the runway allowing those winds to play around with the aircraft like a cat does with a mouse, or so I tell myself.

Oh, and I did finally get a chance to compliment Buffalo Approach over the air for their fine service.  I need to check your archives to make sure it came out like I had hoped.

EDIT:  Never mind.  Archives are not available for that time frame.  Drat.

Hey, Dan, off topic from this thread, but since I have you here:  I just learned that your Caravan icing clip from last year apparently has been picked up by the FAA and is being circulated around some aviation safety seminar  circles. 

I also hang out on the rec.aviation.piloting newsgroup and a regular there stated he received the clip from an FAA contact so he posted your clip to his website of aviation audio and video clips.  I asked him if he could at least credit LiveATC on his site since it was their archives and your work that resulted in the clip.   He said he would do so but as of 2:30p eastern time today, he hasn't done so:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_sound_files.htm



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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2007, 06:36:25 PM »

With the landing, welcome to my world!  Wink


Dan, did you get any snow? We got absolutely pounded in OP. Example: my dad and i snowblowed at 1PM yesterday. My uncle came to pick us up in his Tahoe to go to his daughter's party (my cousin) because none of our streets were plowed and we only have cars (no 4Wheel drive). He took us there and then back home. The main problems were: not being able to see 5 feet in front of us until we got to Southwestern BLVD. Then, when we got back home, we just snowblowed three hours ago, my uncle was literally plowing down our street (the snow was up to the grill on his truck). When we got out of the truck in our driveway, the snow was up past my knees (I'm 5'8"). Back out with the snowblower.

Today the stupid plow blocked our driveway. I spent more than an hour outside trying to clear enough space to get my Mom's Accord in our driveway!

I'm done for today...hoping schools will be closed tomorrow!

Greg
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