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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2010, 09:55:53 AM »

These types of comments given the limited data available are just as inappropriate any which would assume Jack Roush was an incompetent pilot.

skyfocus,

You are 100% correct about my jumping to uneducated conclusions.  I don't have the experience or the information to make the statements I made in my previous post.  You are also correct in repeating that I have a lot of respect for Mr. Roush.  My scenario was without evidence, none of us really know what happened.

I have heard so many folks jumped to the conclusion that Roush is too old to fly and should hang it up.  I was just as wrong to try and blame the controller or airport.

Thank you for your post!
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2010, 02:40:12 PM »

It is standard for the controller involved to be relieved after an incident.  There are statements to be made, drug tests, paperwork, etc. Not to mention the controller just witnessed a terrible accident.  

Saying he had to wet himself is not a fair statement.  If there is an accident with only one aircraft in the pattern, you get relief.  It is not a reflection of performance or error on the controllers part, just how its done.

I have no idea what happened in regards to specifics of the N6JR accident at OSH, but the few times I have worked N6JR on overflights, he was very professional.  
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2010, 11:29:53 PM »

Here is a link of some pics of the crash posted on the TMZ website

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/jack_roushs_plane_crashed_pictures#tab=most_recent
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2010, 05:00:16 AM »

Here is a link of some pics of the crash posted on the TMZ website

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/jack_roushs_plane_crashed_pictures#tab=most_recent

Wow, that first picture has a real rightwing low position... indicates a stall and the airplane did a near 360 on the ground. . .
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2010, 10:10:17 AM »

Here is a link of some pics of the crash posted on the TMZ website

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/jack_roushs_plane_crashed_pictures#tab=most_recent

Wow, that first picture has a real rightwing low position... indicates a stall and the airplane did a near 360 on the ground. . .

The airplane did not do a 360 spin on the ground...look again at the pics...focus on the background. The pics of the rear of the airplane are taken from a different vantage point...in all the other pics, ORION is visible is the background.

The right wingtip struck the ground and the aircraft cartwheeled according to witnesses.   



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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2010, 11:57:34 AM »

Different photos from Avweb:

http://www.avweb.com/news/airventure/EAAAirVenture2010_JackRoushCrash_MomentOfImpact_203026-1.html#gallery

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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2010, 09:24:50 PM »

I'm probably being a bit too critical here but after 30 years in law enforcement I found it interesting how the eyewitness account from JoeyB's first referenced Youtube video (the Fox News clip) differed from the actual facts.  He (the eyewitness in the clip) talked about the aircraft cartwheeling and losing its left wing and then about 3 people evacuating the aircraft.  I can't say for sure whether or not the aircraft actually cartwheeled into the ground but the photos published thus far, including those showing the jet just prior to impact, seem to indicate that it pancaked into the ground rather than cartwheeling.  The photos also show both wings still attached in the aftermath and video clearly shows only two people exiting the jet (not to mention all reports indicating only two occupants).  It has always amazed me how inaccurate eyewitness accounts often can be.
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2010, 09:20:38 AM »

Who can help me with the callsign in the KOSH-TWR-North-Incident?
Can't understand it at all...
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2010, 09:18:12 AM »

Who can help me with the callsign in the KOSH-TWR-North-Incident?
Can't understand it at all...

Blue and white lancair? that one?
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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2010, 02:47:07 PM »

new pictures:
http://jalopnik.com/5602493/new-photos-show-roush-plane-crash-as-it-happened

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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2010, 08:48:54 AM »

Um..wow shocked  Talk about right place, wrong time!  That guy in the brown is like "screw the shot, save the camera bag!"

Has anyone heard what JR's condition is?  I haven't seen anything lately.  From the look of those pictures that were linked earlier in the thread the left side of his face particularly in the eye area looked pretty beat up.
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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2010, 10:50:56 PM »


Wow! Looks like the guy who took the shot had some balls and the other guys didn't care.
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2010, 03:23:07 PM »

 huh Wonder how great the forces must have been here, where the seatbelt gives way so much, so that Jack can hit his head at the yoke?

If the seatbelt did not give way he would be less hurt in my opinion. . .
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2010, 01:41:12 AM »

Are we sure he was wearing his seatbelt to begin with?
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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2010, 07:39:23 AM »

From the NTSB preliminary report:

The pilot was flying to KOSH to attend the Experimental Aircraft Association’s Airventure 2010 fly-in convention. Air traffic control (ATC) data indicated that the accident flight entered the Oshkosh area under visual flight rules and was cleared to land on runway 18R (8,002 feet by 150 feet, concrete).

A review of amateur video taken at KOSH showed the accident airplane in a left base turn to final for runway 18R. The airplane appeared to overshoot the runway centerline during this turn and then level its wings momentarily before entering a slight right bank simultaneously as the nose of the airplane pitched up. The airplane then turned left toward the runway centerline and began a descent. During this descent the airplane’s pitch appeared to increase until the airplane entered a right bank and struck the grass area west of the runway in a nose down, right wing low attitude.

The pilot and passenger were assisted out of the aircraft and transported to the hospital for treatment of their serious, but non-life-threatening injuries.

An on-scene investigation was immediately initiated after the accident. The air traffic controllers working the final portion of the accident flight were interviewed and the recorded ATC voice transmissions were secured for further review. The final segments of the accident flight were below available radar coverage, and as such no radar track data was available for review. The wreckage debris path and accident site were surveyed before the airplane was eventually recovered to a secured area where further inspections were performed the following day. No preimpact malfunctions or anomalies were noted during the on-scene inspections of the airframe structure, flight control systems, or two turbo-fan engines. Several non-volatile memory devices were removed from the airplane and were retained for future download. A cockpit voice recorder was recovered and shipped to the NTSB Vehicle Recorder Division in Washington D.C. for readout. The remaining wreckage was released back to the aircraft owner/operator on July 29, 2010.

http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20100728X70427&key=1
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