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« on: July 11, 2008, 09:16:46 AM »

Pilot trying to find Waterbury-Oxford (CT) airport. Edited out silent parts to reduce clip size and time.

All's well that ends well.

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2008, 09:49:03 AM »

Hmmm... The pilot doesn't know how to change his squawk code?   

"When you get a chance, give the tower a call.... we just want to ask you a few questions."

I could think of one:   Could we see your logbook?  We just want to find out who the CFI was who signed you off.

Good clip.  Thanks for posting.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2008, 02:14:41 PM »

To quote another member, "they'll give a pilots license to anyone these days"
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2008, 03:58:52 PM »

wow..... im no pilot or anything (will be going to flight school soon) but i dont think that guy should be flying alone!!
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2008, 01:54:05 PM »

That boggles my mind.  Not that he got lost - that happens to almost everyone eventually - but that he doesn't know how to put in a squawk code.  I'm going to hope for the lesser of two evils: that he's a student pilot with a really bad instructor, rather than a licensed pilot who doesn't know how to perform the simplest of tasks.



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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 10:43:56 AM »

Very interesting to hear what methods the tower used to try to verify his position. I wonder if it would've been worth asking if he was familiar with NDB's, because there is one just north of the field.

Since he wasn't able to set this transponder, perhaps he was bluffing about the ident, too.

Unfortunately, there's a block that occurs where the pilot says he doesn't see the beacon/tower, so the controller starts painting more of a picture...during which time the pilot transmits again that he has it in sight (and presumably starts heading towards it).

Hint for pilots, if you release the PTT key and the controller is in mid-sentence, it's likely that he didn't hear your last transmission.

My fingers are crossed that this is a student pilot who didn't know how to operate the transponder. If it's a licensed pilot, then he slipped through the net during training. Even if you don't regularly get flight following, there is still training associated with the emergency squawk code during PPL training, as well as basic operation of most equipment in the airplane.

I give the tower a lot of credit for staying calm, he did a good job.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 12:27:32 PM »

Very interesting to hear what methods the tower used to try to verify his position. I wonder if it would've been worth asking if he was familiar with NDB's, because there is one just north of the field.

The TBY NDB has been OTS (essentially decommissioned, but not officially) for months now.  The NOTAM has been broadcast on every OXC ATIS broadcast for a while, but that would have been a good idea if it was operational for sure.

It's scary to think I work in a building adjacent to the runway at Oxford with a pilot like this flying around.  The tower controllers there are top notch -- always looking out for everyone.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 01:56:44 PM »

The tower controllers there are top notch -- always looking out for everyone.

If this controller's handling of this incident is any indication of the talent at OXC, I would agree that there are some good controllers there. 

Notable to me was how the controller held another pilot on the ground while he sorted out the problem, as if the controller realized that his attention was focused on the lost pilot and that adding a takeoff into the mix might tip the scales away from a safe environment.

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 06:17:12 PM »

Unbelievable.  There are people that dumb flying way too close to me.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 09:33:28 PM »

By the way what is a squawk? and Ident? I'm sure whatever they are their not important. I assume the 5255 code the ATC was asking of the guy was to put into the altitude box thing or in Pilot talk the coltsmen double pane window. Guess after i do my checkride for my PPL next Tuesday (God willing I pass, which i am all too confident I will) Ill be talking to you all as the nations newest Pilot (then on to ILF approaches ie: instrument landings! for the lay person)  And who knows maybe some of you can fly with me one day! wink

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 10:20:38 PM »

By the way what is a squawk? and Ident? I'm sure whatever they are their not important.

Sarcasm doesn't always work well in this medium.  Are you serious or just joking around?
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 10:42:49 PM »

By the way what is a squawk? and Ident? I'm sure whatever they are their not important.

Sarcasm doesn't always work well in this medium.  Are you serious or just joking around?

I think its obvious hes joking.  If he is taking is Private checkride checkride soon, I am assuming( unless hes the one in the clip)  knows what a squawk code and an ident are. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 10:51:57 PM »

I think its obvious hes joking. 

Really?  I have seen several serious questions here that on the surface might have been mistaken as a joke.   With a post count of 3, that poster has no history to safely conclude anything at this point.
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2008, 10:08:40 AM »

It is hard to tell if he is kidding.
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2008, 10:35:57 PM »

...Guess after i do my checkride for my PPL next Tuesday (God willing I pass, which i am all too confident I will) Ill be talking to you all as the nations newest Pilot (then on to ILF approaches ie: instrument landings! for the lay person)  And who knows maybe some of you can fly with me one day! wink

Darren

I'm not exactly a lay person but I'd love to know more about these ILF approaches.  Are they a new cutting edge ground-based nav or some sort of WAAS adaptation?  I try to keep up with the new stuff but I haven't seen anything on this yet....please do tell.
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