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Fred_Garvin
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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2010, 01:38:56 PM »

Great posts Blackbox
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2010, 05:42:43 AM »

Well it was a pleasure, to help out to enforce the position re the legality of Listening to Aviation transmissions.
99.995% of people are just enthusiasts or even the professionals! and I think it is widely known ....however the problem is when people go too far, sadly this may have an impact for the Majority as with anything.

What I can tell you that Communication protocol has been  tightened up so action has been taken in regard to unprofessional comments and so there are no red faces in the Mess room etc.

That is all .

Regards.
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2010, 08:31:29 AM »

Just for info guys, the Youtube video/audio has been removed!

So I'll not get to hear this particular little té ta té  cry
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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2010, 11:05:52 AM »

So, where is the video? I have read the http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/enforcement/spectrum-enforcement/guidance information, where ATC is an public broadcast (not encrypted) nor a illegal (pirate) radio station ! No private information is obtained (names or addresses) and just a common radio band for what means there is some ethics about what people say on it. (like Internet or CB band never expose your address or real name for abuse matters)

The main focus for rules like this are (IMO) to protect private conversations like phone calls or transmissions that can be compared to a phone system.
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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2010, 01:38:19 PM »


I must say it should be remembered that it was the lack of a Runway inspection which brought down the Airfrance Concorde
I thought it was poor mx that resulted in a 17-inch strip of metal to fall off a Continental DC-10 that caused the crash for which a welder who worked for Continental at the time and his supervisor are now facing involuntary manslaughter charges.

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2010, 12:07:27 AM »

OT - sorry, just a short reply:

I thought it was poor mx that resulted in a 17-inch strip of metal to fall off a Continental DC-10 that caused the crash ...


Think again. It's never one single factor. Heard of the 'Swiss cheese model'?

As I recall from what I read:
-> acft was overfueled and overloaded (cruise ship pax with way more baggage than average Concorde flyer + some 600 kg extra that were not even on loadsheet)
-> CG was out of limits to the rear
-> so cpt. decided to have fuel transfer pumps (tail to main tanks) running during take-off (SOP was off until after clean up)
-> consequently main tank was kept at 100% full
-> means no gas bubble built up inside that could have absorbed shockwave from impact of  ...
-> debris of tire that burst after hitting ominous metal strip
-> which most probably would not have happened if tire was not deflated split seconds earlier from wear+tear because ...
-> wheel was wobbling due to missing spacer (since tire change 4 days earlier)
-> sudden loss of tire pressure caused plane veer left off centerline towards metal strip in the first place
-> performance calculations based on 10 kts headwind -> actually 4 kts tailwind on take-off
-> ...
- fact that F/O did not have valid medical certificate had admittedly no impact, but adds to the impression of bad safety culture

If you want to learn more, start here (especially Cpt. Bannister's remarks) or here.

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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2010, 10:20:33 AM »



Think again. It's never one single factor. Heard of the 'Swiss cheese model'?
Yes
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