Near Miss @ KSFO - We Need to Talk! (w/OAK Ctr)

[phil-s]

%$^#$, seems I've had my internal compass offset 90 deg at KSFO forever.  Been thinking all these years that rwy 1 points roughly east while 28 is lined up roughly N.  So, yes, of course nobody was out over the bay and, yes, it sounds like the Cessna was following (bad) instructions.

[Windtee]

Now I get a better picture since hearing the abbreviated version. Thanks for the follow-up.

[Cap747]

As everyone here is a bit off-topic, I'll try to bring it on-topic again, this threat as it says above, is about the second part, w/OAK !

Here the girly asked for a phone number (and actually got it) and if there were radar recordings made, she needs those.... Of course flight tracker has their part for this....  

[atcman23]

Sounds like an OCD pilot.  She can't just get radar data anyway... there's a lot of paperwork to go about getting that... oh and not to mention you would be in a courtroom.  File a ASRS and call it a day.  Pointing fingers and determining blame while flying the aircraft are things that should not be done at the same time (like drinking and driving).

[Cap747]

  BTW the topic about the first part is here...

http://www.liveatc.net/forums/atcaviation-audio-clips/near-miss-at-ksfo-we-need-to-talk!/msg43227/#msg43227

[Jay]

From the sound of it ATC applied visual separation at the last minute, even though the pilot accepted it there isn't any time (only a mile at most) for the GA to out manuever the B777 that's climbing through his altitude. Almost seems like local applied visual separation as a CYA.

[Cap747]

From the sound of it ATC applied visual separation at the last minute, even though the pilot accepted it there isn't any time (only a mile at most) for the GA to out manuever the B777 that's climbing through his altitude. Almost seems like local applied visual separation as a CYA.

I didn't wanted to comment to this, but I can't resist  

A GA usually can turn around it's own axis in a short distance, this Cessna needs only 200 to 300 feet, doing a full 360 if they have to, but that depends on pilot skills....  

[alltheway]

I found this on the internet,

Quote:"Terminal Area (Norcal Approach)
Basic separation within 40 miles of single antenna is three miles in airport/terminal airspace. IFR/VFR separation is 1.5-miles in Class B. Beyond 40 miles of antenna it is 5 miles.

The pilot should know that under VFR conditions once you have told ATC that you have visual contact with traffic you may not receive any further radar advisories on that traffic. They may not advise you again of altitude or direction. It is up to you to evade any possible wake turbulence. ATC will let you fly right under a DC-10' wake turbulence and not issue a warning. You must be aware of this lack of protection and be assertive enough to make a 360 or whatever it takes for avoidance. It may be best not to 'see' traffic "

Got this from:
http://www.whittsflying.com/web/page5.310Bay_Area_ATC_System.htm



Hugggghhhh what a cute voice - early 20's?

[briantambrose@gmail.com]

The media, will send out a news chopper to fly over a light GA crash any film as much detail as they can... they try to get the bodies if they can... it is sick.. they never have any facts, actual causes or a clue about GA.  They Blood Leads as they say...