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rekno13
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« on: July 25, 2009, 07:34:41 PM »

First heard by evilcuban

http://www.liveatc.net/forums/listener-forum/nyc-airspace-violator/

Left most of the EVA638 communication in.

I tried to keep the time frame correct going from tower to ROBER

EDIT: original file removed due to big size, sorry didn't know how to make it smaller. Please see below post by kea001 for much smaller file.
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 07:53:06 PM »

Great job, thanks!
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 08:04:25 PM »

I guess my question is, if EVA was down to 400, why didn't they just land EVA?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EVA638/history/20090725/1404Z/KATL/KJFK/tracklog

Wouldn't it be safer for EVA to just land?
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 08:16:06 PM »

You can run but you can't hide.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2009, 09:31:39 PM »

It's an RV, what a surprise.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2009, 10:02:26 PM »

Thanks for the great file.

When you render these files, please make sure you render the file as small as possible as there is a limited amount of server space. I've taken your file and rendered it to 1.3 mb size.

I find optimum settings for rendering small files to be as follows:

Sample Rate: 16000 Hz
Channels: Mono
193pct Sync
Quality: Standard
16 kbps

Dave may send you an email requiring you to redo your project for the aforementioned reason.
Just take the attached file and put it in place of the one you have there now.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2009, 10:06:58 PM »

Ah, thank you sir. I am new to uploading audio files to the internet.

Thank you for the advice, changing my audacity settings now.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2009, 11:31:17 PM »

I guess my question is, if EVA was down to 400, why didn't they just land EVA?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EVA638/history/20090725/1404Z/KATL/KJFK/tracklog

Wouldn't it be safer for EVA to just land?

That doesn't mean EVA was at 400 when the go around was initiated. It takes time from the moment the control says go around before the plane stops descending. Also it's impossible to say what is safer just by looking at a abstract track log from one of the planes involved.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2009, 03:40:25 AM »

Ah! That is very true. Sorry for questioning the ATC. I know better!

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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2009, 01:51:28 PM »

great clip!
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2009, 02:06:08 PM »

Great Catch.  I was at KFRG when the NYPD chopper escorted this guy in.  Thanks
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2009, 04:30:38 PM »

Great Catch.  I was at KFRG when the NYPD chopper escorted this guy in.  Thanks

...and what happened?
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2009, 08:41:39 AM »

Handcuffs....  And then local PD showed up to excort him away.  His aircraft was left at the terminal when I was leaving and there was talk of someone from the FAA arriving to inspect the aircraft and then talk to the pilot.
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2009, 08:59:17 AM »

Not something you hear everyday, especially in NY! Great catch!
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2009, 10:41:05 AM »

Here is a clip of the aircraft inbound to KFRG. I removed some incidental transmissions and, although I left in the section where Ground gave the aircraft the facility's telephone number, I edited the clip so that it is kept private.

The violator seems to try and establish contact with Tower several times before she establishes contact with the aircraft. I think perhaps Tower was confused by the fact that the plane was able to make radio transmissions since she was told the aircraft was not responsive.

Enjoy!
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