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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2009, 05:59:40 PM »

I was working that day although I wasn't on the frequency at that point. I'm not sure what this idiot was doing but she (?) really caused problems for several aircraft, not just the EGF & the EVA. I can't believe there still ahsn't been any media coverage of this event!
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2009, 06:32:04 PM »

I can't believe there still ahsn't been any media coverage of this event!

Yah I've been looking for some sort of follow up in the media myself. I'd really like to know what the person's "excuse" is. Either he's a absolute moron with so little awareness what's going on around him that he probably shouldn't even have a drivers license, or there has to be some sort of mental issue going on. You figure if he had wanted to do something malicious he had chance to and wouldn't have cooperated with the PD once they got his attention.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2009, 06:39:48 PM »

At one point the pilot looked like they had a death wish. Crazy day.
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2009, 01:27:15 PM »

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Puzzled-Pilot-Terrorizes-JFK.html
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2009, 05:01:35 PM »

WING DING-DONG CONFUSED VA. PILOT TERRORIZES JFK
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07292009/news/regionalnews/wing_ding_dong_181855.htm


I saved the graphic for posterity. I wonder if they paid SkanknTodd for the photo?

You can see the original photo here:
http://www.liveatc.net/forums/listener-forum/nyc-airspace-violator/
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2009, 05:45:59 PM »

I'm really disappointed that no charges have been filed. At the least, there should be a massive fine.
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2009, 07:50:49 PM »

What horrible, sensationalized, and inaccurate reporting.  And the article from NBC was just a paraphrased version of the NY Post one.   Use of the word "terrorize" is almost laughable, but I guess that's New Yorkers.
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2009, 08:08:24 PM »

WING DING-DONG CONFUSED VA. PILOT TERRORIZES JFK
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07292009/news/regionalnews/wing_ding_dong_181855.htm


I saved the graphic for posterity. I wonder if they paid SkanknTodd for the photo?

You can see the original photo here:
http://www.liveatc.net/forums/listener-forum/nyc-airspace-violator/
Yah, once someone takes a picture they hold the copyright to it. Unless he explicitly give up his right it's a clear copyright violation. Even if liveatc was the copyright holder, merely slapping the name of the website on there isn't sufficient. The Post knows that and figures it's easier to do the wrong thing and hope then don't get caught then to do the right thing to begin with.  


I'm really disappointed that no charges have been filed. At the least, there should be a massive fine.

I have to it's merely a matter of nothing's happened yet. I can't imagine the FAA letting this guy get away scot free.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2009, 10:33:07 PM »

Wondered if he paid the optional $33 fee to AOPA for Legal Services?
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2009, 08:00:04 AM »

What horrible, sensationalized, and inaccurate reporting.  And the article from NBC was just a paraphrased version of the NY Post one.   Use of the word "terrorize" is almost laughable, but I guess that's New Yorkers.
Yeah, those NYers who have never known actual terror... huh huh huh
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2009, 10:03:37 AM »

How could this happen? This guy has a commercial pilot rating!  huh
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2009, 11:11:45 AM »

It could happen to someone who wasn't prepared with multiple ways of determining his position during the flight (pilotage, ded reckoning, VOR cross checks and GPS).  Perhaps he was relying solely on one method, and hadn't planned for any of the others when the sole method failed him (handheld GPS running out of batteries, for example).

Perhaps he thought he was approaching FRG, turned inland, couldn't spot the airport, then did some 360's while he worked it out.

The sad truth is that, in absence of a sudden medical issue, it should've been easy to avoid this problem with some really basic planning prior to the flight.  That he should've been more prepared to fly through some of the most complex airspace in the country.

A plan as simple as, "if the GPS craps out, stay along the shoreline at 400ft until passing the first bridge approaching the Jones Beach Monument, then climb to 3500. At the monument, turn left to hdg 040, climb to a higher altitude (below 4000) and look for FRG dead ahead. "  If equipped with VOR, he could stay on the shoreline until hitting the DPK R-221 then head to DPK, looking for FRG off the left.

This plan took about 5-7 seconds to formulate by looking at the TAC, and would've worked in good weather regardless of the nav equipment on board.

It would be very interesting to find out what caused him to get lost, and his thought process once he was lost (if that's what happened). At the VERY least, once he was lost, why he would not contact ATC is beyond me. A quick look at the chart shows that if you were heading to FRG, and got lost, JFK could easily become a factor, and on that basis alone, he should've wasted no time and called SOMEONE for help. If nothing else, that's what I learned from thinking through this.
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