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« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2008, 04:55:28 PM »

He doesn't breathe for air!  shocked Incredible  grin
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« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2008, 02:57:36 AM »

Intense.
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« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2008, 06:20:11 PM »

he must have been born in the energizer factory hes a monster! sorry got over excited im still a bit new to this world...but thats how good he is..even i can tell he is good haha!
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« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2008, 12:29:18 PM »

If hes so good why is he slowing aircraft to 150 IAS and sending aircraft through the final approach course for spacing?  Might sound good, but what is happening can be totally different and we have no way to know if its clean or a mess, digging his way out and shafting tower with his spacing.
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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2008, 12:33:56 PM »

Sounds good, but if he's so good why is he slowing aircraft to 150 IAS?

1) Heavy flow. 
2) Not a lot of vectoring space. 
3) Building a little more room for holes to weave more arrivals.
3) Leaving himself a little room in case a pilot screws up.

Hard to really say for sure since we'd have to be able to see what the radar screen looked like at that point in time.  smiley
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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2008, 03:09:51 PM »

Definitely a great recording Smiley I've listened to it a couple of times now, and I just turned it on again while I'm doing homework Smiley
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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2008, 03:41:59 PM »

Slowing aircraft to 150kts or vectoring through final for spacing are all valuable tools to the controller.  It is not a sign of weakness or screw up.  At busier facilities these things are done all day.

Where do you work binky?
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« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2008, 03:44:11 PM »

Slowing aircraft to 150kts or vectoring through final for spacing are all valuable tools to the controller.  It is not a sign of weakness or screw up.  At busier facilities these things are done all day.

What about 360s?  This past Monday I overheard 360s (not holds) being handed out to a bunch of aircraft inbound to LaGuardia from the north.   First time I heard that tactic used over that many aircraft.
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« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2008, 04:19:41 PM »

Using a 360 instead of a holding pattern can be useful.  It avoids the pilots needing to set up a holding pattern and the controllers do not have to go through the whole holding clearance and EFC time.  For a short delay it is the way to go. 

Not recommended when aircraft are in trail at the same altitude!
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« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2008, 10:02:20 PM »

First of all the title of the thread is "One of the very best approach controllers...".  Perhaps it should have been called "best sounding.." because that's all it is to me and why I critique what he's saying.  Because no one can see what was happening with the traffic, I can assume that he's behind when he sends aircraft through the localizer for spacing, because its not the way things are normally done.  Yes it happens, but if things work out ideally, it doesn't happen.  I'm not saying he's messing up, but perhaps tweaking.  Same with the speeds, slowing jets to 150 isn't standard practice so it says to me he may have run two aircraft too tight and has to back one off to get the spacing he needs.  So does that make him the very best? Because he uses speed adjustment and vectors through the approach course?

As far as 360's, that's a whole different topic.  This is about EWR approach, not the feeder sector but I'd love to hear someone explain how 360's are used by EWR approach.  As far as where I work, what if I say Walmart?  My point is people fall in love with someones R/T and it leads them to think that that person is better or worse than another controller which is totally ridiculous.
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« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2008, 10:12:50 PM »

binky-

I think he is one of the very best approach controllers because:

1) I know him personally.
2) I know controllers who have controlled with him.  And *they* say he's good.
3) He trained me and several other VATSIM controllers and he did a great job at that.
4) He taught at the Academy.

All of that has nothing to do with this recording.  I never said he was better or worse than anyone else.  All I was trying to do was provide some entertainment.  This is not a contest.

I'm not sure why you're challenging his competency because he had aircraft going 150 knots.  As any competent TRACON controller will tell you, there is not "one way" or any necessarily "standard" way to do things.  Every controller has his or her own style.

I think this thread has taken an unnecessarily negative turn - perhaps you just misread or misinterpreted the original post that was made some time ago.

-dave
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« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2008, 11:44:14 AM »

My only real point was to say that people here shouldnt immediately equate somthing as simplistic as how they think a voice sounds on frequency with their perceived level of proficiency.  That's why I mentioned that there were things done which *might* show that he was actually having to tweak his traffic to make it work, instead of just saying "WOW dude that guy is awesome!!"  If that bothers you because you know the person, I'm sorry I offended you but please don't tell me that 'Pushing Tin' was realistic too.
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« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2008, 12:14:54 PM »

Tweaking traffic to make it work is what good controllers do, binky.  The ones who don't have the ability to tweak it and do everything standard are the ones who end up down the crapper.  The good ones use all tools available to them.

Who said Pushing Tin was realistic?
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« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2008, 02:53:32 PM »

Binky,

Believe it or not, I understand the point you're trying to make. Whether or not his decisions were the most efficient for the situation at hand, we'll never know, and you are correct, the content of this recording doesn't mean he's the BEST controller, or that the controlling couldn't have have been done more efficiently.

What IS clear, though, is that he's handling a large volume of traffic and maintaining absolute control of the frequency for long periods of time.  That is not something everyone can do.  I'm sure professional ATC folks do it all day long, and might not find this recording to be anything special, but for aspiring controllers, or interested members of the aviation community, it's an amazing display of frequency management, and presence.

Apparently, his ability was not lost on some of the professional pilots that were on the air, too...with comments like "you're the man..." as they left the freq.

Slow speeds and vectors through the approach course are just more tools in the bag, and he used them. In a perfect world, you wouldn't need them...but with this many ppl involved, and lord knows what coming from surrounding sectors (we'll never know from an audio recording), he appeared to be getting the job done. 
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« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2008, 12:04:36 AM »

Late response I know but new here to this site, that recording makes me tired just litening to this guy, amazing!. Here in oz that recording would amount to about a weeks worth at Aussie's busiest, SYD! You guys are amzing how you fly in that environment.


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