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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2011, 11:51:57 AM »

This airplane was in perfectly good shape prior to this landing (verified by the owner today).

I flew alongside it all the way back from North Dakota when it was transported out here about 8 years ago.  I was flying a different (faster) aircraft from UND out here at the time.  I just remembered this today - hard to forget since the trip took a week due to weather!  The aircraft (the Piper Cherokee) was on a "Day VFR Only" restriction by the FSDO but was inspected and any small issues resolved once it got back here.

By the way, East Coast Aero Club is a top-notch flight school and maintenance is one of their strong points - they are meticulous.  I did my instrument training there and highly recommend them (for those near Boston, MA, Nashua, NH, or Norwood, MA).

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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2011, 12:06:26 PM »

Wow. This is sickening. This guy had to be drunk. Hope he gets his certificate yanked, assuming he even has one.

That controller sure was patient with this a$$hole.
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2011, 12:07:48 PM »

Yeah it says it's a Cherokee, and according to the clip the tower called it a Warrior, but both is true..

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In 1978, Piper upgraded the Warrior to 160 horsepower (119 kW) PA-28-161, changing its name to Cherokee Warrior II.

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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2011, 02:10:12 PM »

Allegedly, after landing, he told police he'd gotten permission to land on the beach, and also: 'Love what you do, love what you do. I'm never going to ride in a plane again.'

Hopefully he was right about the latter.

More info/gossip:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/jet_stream_in_queens_FxCdP7lBQuww0Hk9MvBLNI
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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2011, 02:36:08 PM »

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110404/1620Z/KSWF/KFRG/tracklog

look at his altitude/speed and heading track....looks like he is struggling a bit with headings and power settings
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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2011, 03:05:30 PM »

From the FAA records, the pilot is PP-ASEL instrument rated, First Class medical. Certificate issued 8/2009. That has no bearing on his current ability as a pilot, though, and his use of the radio is appalling.
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2011, 03:14:15 PM »

I don't get this - this pilot seems like a complete nut job.  I don't understand this at all - none of this makes sense.

As a private single engine pilot this really pisses me off - it gives us a bad name.

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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2011, 03:15:52 PM »

I think he's under the influence. Of what, I have no idea.
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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2011, 06:17:33 PM »

I agree with everyone on the forum here. Wonder if the plane was going to get reprocessed and tryed to make it harder for the repoplane guys to get it. I wouldn't want the pa28 after it was drenched with salt water. Ill bet some salt water is laying in some critical spots...starting the corrosion already.
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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2011, 06:38:33 PM »

I heard this entire transmission live as it was happening. I knew this guy was some type of freak or druggie right away but I could tell the controller couldn't.  I was amazed at the patience and kindness shown by the controller who was dealing with a bunch of heavy jets coming and going.  The guy was a total nutjob and its really bad for all pilots, GA etc...I hope the FAA goes after this nut in a big big way...
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« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2011, 08:37:56 PM »

That's the most bizarre exchange I've ever heard.

Truth be told, I'm just glad he didn't kill anyone.  Based on the absolutely horrific judgment he displayed here,  I'm going to hazard a guess that he was not firing on all six cylinders here.  His grasp on right/wrong, the response to traffic calls ("hey, that was a big one!")....something isn't wired right upstairs.

A lot of people are saying things like, "something isn't right here..."  Is that what you guys are eluding to? Or...something else?

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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2011, 09:10:11 PM »

Yea exactly. Something isn't right as in this Guy is a wierdo. Seriously I'm a 21 year old private pilot in California. ...and I always carry myself in the most professional way in aviation. There's a place in time to screw around....and here in aviation we don't screw around with safety and protocol. This Guy is way out of line. Hard to believe some of us work hard to become pilots Just to have some screwball like This one showing the general public the unprofessional side of GA...the only side that gets reported to the media.....figures. well this Guy will be weeded out of the system soon. Controller was professional. .....A+!
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« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2011, 09:42:52 PM »

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110404/1620Z/KSWF/KFRG/tracklog

look at his altitude/speed and heading track....looks like he is struggling a bit with headings and power settings
What are you trying to suggest? He wasn't compelled to maintain a certain heading or altitude because he was VFR, though the controller may have issued a restriction at some point or another. But that's not indicative of his physical state or use of drugs or alcohol.

Also, since the airplane is owned by the flying club, this would not be an anti-repossession (or anti-"reprocessing") move. This was clearly done to impress someone.

There's no doubt in my mind that this guy will be heavily fined and revoked at the minimum.
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« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2011, 10:55:20 PM »

I agree, the headings and alts are not really relevant for a VFR flight.

The rest of it is a train wreck, though.
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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2011, 11:16:38 PM »

Nice quote of LiveATC in the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/nyregion/06plane.html
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