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« Reply #60 on: April 07, 2011, 07:04:48 AM »

I think he's under the influence. Of what, I have no idea.

Hepped up on goofballs.
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« Reply #61 on: April 07, 2011, 09:11:56 AM »

http://www.flightschoollist.com/aviation-articles/2011/04/pilot-may-lose-license-over-beach-landing/
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« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2011, 10:47:47 AM »

I would like to add - I hope that NY sues him for the cost of the emergency services & helicopter & the recovery costs not to mention the insurance company - they ought to sue him through subrogation.

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« Reply #63 on: April 07, 2011, 01:00:47 PM »

Not to put a damper on all the comments and speculations about the 'bad' guy's behavior, let me postulate this, based on several previous comments and other info:
1. Ill passenger on board, who was subsequently hospitalized.
2. Possible excessive CO, or a medical condition from other causes, known as  prime causes of Anoxia or Hypoxia, the result of which can lead to feelings of euphoria and subsequent seizures as a result. Sound familiar? I hope he gets a Catscan and an MRI.
I only say this because, as the saying goes, 'been there, done that'.

 
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« Reply #64 on: April 07, 2011, 03:05:30 PM »

I am interested to hear about your experience  if it is something you want to share.
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« Reply #65 on: April 07, 2011, 05:18:13 PM »

Sounds like a case for pulling his ticket.
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« Reply #66 on: April 07, 2011, 05:54:53 PM »

My experiences? Had a few, but a closely related one goes like this:
Climb to the altitude where the unpressurized fuel (fuel boost off) starts to 'boil'. Shut down turbine engine and try restarts to determine highest altitude at which the engine will start. 1st attempt, hot start. 2nd attempt, hot start, 3rd attempt, Uh oh. ICS went dead, gyro tumbled, lost all electric instrumentation. Intinctively, I keyed the mic and declared a Mayday, again and again. Got no response. A check of the battery voltage showed a big fat zero. (Found out later that it had a dead short). Got a visual on our home airport and silently headed on down.
Just for reference, we had been operating at altitudes between 22,000 and
 25,000 ft. unpressurized and without any O2 on board. Easy to do if you breathe real slow and real deep while there, but only fora limited time.
Finally, after that very long descent, entered the left crosswind leg at which point I actually opened and began yelling out the side window 'Mayday, mayday, mayday - engine out'. Of course no one heard me, but we laughed as we did the LH pattern to touchdown which turned out to be a bit short of the runway. More laughs.  
  
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« Reply #67 on: April 07, 2011, 06:34:27 PM »

That makes me think of the Kalitta flight I heard on Liveatc some time back where the pilot struggled to pronounce every word.

Since this was at low altitude I assume it would be something like Carbon monoxide?
I thought the symptoms of that were more feeling sick or drowsy.  He certainly can't be accused of sounding drowsy!   

Thanks for telling your story. I think you can learn more in one "there I was" story than in text on theory.   Sounds like you did a great job to get it down
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« Reply #68 on: April 07, 2011, 07:02:26 PM »

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« Reply #69 on: April 07, 2011, 07:19:01 PM »

It is idiots like this that give general aviation a bad name!!!
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« Reply #70 on: April 07, 2011, 11:00:42 PM »

This guy is a total idiot and he should lose his ticket permanently. 
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« Reply #71 on: April 08, 2011, 12:02:24 PM »

First time poster here.  I heard this loony bin fly into SWF from FRG on Sunday.  I've been listening to ATC for over 15 years, and thought this guy to be downright dangerous.  After reading the news articles and seeing N132ND splashed all over them, I wanted to share what I heard upstate:

If you look at the track log in Flightaware on that flight (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132ND/history/20110403/1445Z/KFRG/KSWF), you'll see the track ends in the mountainous river valley area, southeast of SWF.  He was with NY Approach on 132.75 talking about being low - something about 1200', if I remember correctly.  Suddenly, several quotes of 'JESUS!'  'WOW!'  'WOAH!' were broadcast on the frequency - 'ND got taken for a ride in the windy conditions over the mountains that day, and it was definitely a scary moment to listen to.  I don't know if he wanted to get up close and personal with the scenery or what, but the plane must've gotten tossed about bigtime.  He even got scolded by another pilot on frequency that he was transmitting such things on the air and needed to keep that inside.  Anyway, after the excitement, he progressed to SWF for landing on 34.  He made a reference to Top Gun and going 'really really fast' down the runway, and requested a low approach to go around again for landing.  As with JFK tower, he was trying to be chatty with SWF tower as well (who, rightly so, also wanted no part of it).

Sorry, I don't broadcast my feed (yet?) to LiveATC.  Just wanted to share this, as I found it pretty unprofessional of someone who 'plays' in an industry where professionalism is required 24/7.

Would love to hear that audio if you have it.
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« Reply #72 on: April 08, 2011, 02:34:13 PM »

I suspect the FAA would like to hear it, too, if they're working on building a case against him.
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« Reply #73 on: April 08, 2011, 04:38:55 PM »

Would love to hear that audio if you have it.

Nope, I don't record anything.  Just happened to be listening to the scanner while it was going on.
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« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2011, 03:37:18 PM »

Are we sure this wasn't Tim Martins??
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