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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2008, 03:43:26 PM »

I'm an angel flight pilot, and fly into Boston often. Those controllers are amazing, and offer spectacular service for Angel Flights. I'm shaken by the events that occured today, and have mixed feelings about having the audio posted. I think it serves a purpose, and illustrates how rapidly this kind of event can happen. I worry that out of respect for the families that are suffering a greater loss than we can imagine today, that it would be best to not make it public. Just my thoughts. My heart goes out to that controller, as well as the families.
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2008, 03:59:07 PM »

Very sad. Not to arm-chair it.....but listening to the audio, seems like things went bad when he was given the decent from 4000 to 3000.  Judging from the photos already up elsewhere, loks like he possibly stall-spun into the ground. Right wing, and tail have nothing but fire damage...couldn't see the left wing, and the fuse looks full length,albeit VERY pancaked and burned. God bless 'em.  cry
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2008, 04:01:57 PM »

Terribly sad.  I can't imagine the stones it takes for a controller to remain calm and professional in that situation.

Oh man, I just got to the end of the clip, when the new controller came on.  Rough.
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2008, 04:31:08 PM »

flying their pilots perform.

Below is the accident aircraft's track.   Very notable is that large S-shaped deviation at the end of the flight.  


Actually if you listen to the ATC recording and sync up the plane's track at http://www4.passur.com/bos.htmlat about 10:06 you'll find the plane SW of Boston and you'll hear ATC vectoring him in to get him in between some big jets on final on ILS 4.
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2008, 04:39:16 PM »

Actually if you listen to the ATC recording and sync up the plane's track at http://www4.passur.com/bos.htmlat about 10:06 you'll find the plane SW of Boston and you'll hear ATC vectoring him in to get him in between some big jets on final on ILS 4.

That post came out before Dave posted the audio clip.   Upon listening to the clip I now understand the explanation for such a large deviation. 

This accident really shook me up as well and I am having trouble thinking about anything else today.  My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims and to the controller involved, too. 
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2008, 06:25:13 PM »

What a terrible shame, my heart goes out to all of those involved and their loved ones.  AFNE has had a great record up to this point.  I am hopeful that this accident does not taint their immaculate reputation for a safe operation, or the reputation of general aviation.  Just listening to the tapes...what a helpless feeling.  I can't imagine what was going through the controller's mind as the incident unfolded in real time.

It turns out that the pilot of this angel flight mission was the co-worker of my dad's real estate agent.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family of those on board.

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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2008, 06:31:39 PM »

My heart and prayers go out as well.

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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2008, 08:32:44 PM »

I have often tried, but I am sure I will never understand why bad things happen to good people, but this I do understand, we are all better by far for the good people who give so generously to help others.

My family offers its prayers and heart felt sympathy and love to those families affected by this tragedy. We pray that though we are left bewildered, those who have passed from us today are now where they can see clearly. While the loss of a fellow AF pilot and his passengers has left me distraught and in tears, I must believe that he sees what I can not see, and he now has the answers I have sought, but do not know.

May this stir us all to become better pilots then we are today. To be more vigilant then we would otherwise be. God bless those who's days are spent giving themselves to make our world a better place for others. God bless his family and the family of his passengers, and may God bless the controllers who expend themselves for us as we fly. God bless the good people at Angel Flight Northeast. We lament this tragedy, but we pray the next 20 years and 30,000 missions will be as safe as the past.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2008, 10:19:24 PM »

This appears to be the plane in question, based on the reported owner and type.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=4615D
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2008, 10:35:54 PM »

My family offers its prayers and heart felt sympathy and love to those families affected by this tragedy. We pray that though we are left bewildered, those who have passed from us today are now where they can see clearly. While the loss of a fellow AF pilot and his passengers has left me distraught and in tears, I must believe that he sees what I can not see, and he now has the answers I have sought, but do not know.

Nice words.  Thank you for taking the time to post.
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2008, 11:01:11 PM »


I'm not sure if it is its first fatality.. There was the NGF crash off the SoCal coast a year or so back that killed the host for Press Your Luck..

Either way, this is very sad.. Even though three people perished, I wonder more about the person or people they were trying to help..  cry

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It was Santa Monica. But he was empty on the way to pick up pax's.
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2008, 11:58:56 PM »

Video on story

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=7263074&src=news
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2008, 12:22:02 AM »

Fatal crash 3rd in 3 months for volunteer pilots

> On June 3, a flight arranged by Angel Flight
> Central crashed in Iowa City, Iowa, killing a
> 2-year-old girl who had just been treated for
> clubfoot and injuring her mother and the pilot. On
> July 17, a plane flown by an Angel Flight Southeast
> volunteer crashed shortly after takeoff near Tampa,
> Fla., killing all three on board, including a
> 49-year-old cancer patient, a 15-year-old boy and
> the 81-year-old pilot.
>
> "It's been a very, very sad summer," Gollnick
> said. "The entire Angel Flight world is saddened and
> surprised and shocked that this is happening all at
> once."
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2008, 12:55:23 AM »

Resolution not great, but here is the flight path (courtesy of Passur) of NGF15D:

http://www.youtube.com/v/ff7CEg3LwqI
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2008, 07:33:43 AM »

I have never heard anything so humbling and at the same time unbelievable as the ATC  transmission  of the Angel Flight crash that occur ed in Easton MA. I was speechless for an hour after that-! The controller,who I have dealt with many times(as I fly out of 1B9 in Mansfield, MA), was incredible. He should be proud of how he handled himself and the situation. My thoughts are with him, and of course the three who perished.
My take on this crash -sounds like spatial disorientation or vacuum failure.
Larry Spector, Bridgewater, MA
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