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« on: December 16, 2007, 10:37:02 PM »

If you plan on flying to PVD today, please be advised that the ILS runway 5 is in use, but please remain clear of all the closed areas as indicated by the attached map. Thank you  rolleyes


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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2007, 06:20:31 PM »

Ouch.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2007, 10:32:22 PM »

Was this the incident that this was referring to?

http://www.projo.com/news/content/storm_act_2_12-17-07_OP89HL2_v23.298f2eb.html
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2007, 08:12:48 AM »

Yes.  Apparently the RJ suffered some extensive damage to its left MLG.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 04:04:21 PM »

Please tell me that ATIS was not broadcast over the ATIS frequency like that.  Hopefully this one was typed into some kind of voice software.  I prefer the Human over the machine.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2007, 04:18:16 PM »

Please tell me that ATIS was not broadcast over the ATIS frequency like that.  Hopefully this one was typed into some kind of voice software.  I prefer the Human over the machine.

Cannot speak specifically for Providence but I know for a fact that Boston's Logan Airport and Buffalo, NY, have their ATIS read over the ATIS frequency using this text-to-voice software.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2007, 04:25:01 PM »

D-ATIS is much better than the old style human read ATIS.  Most large and medium sized airports have D-ATIS now, and I can usually copy it down in 1 run through due to the speed and clarity of the information.  Some controllers read ATIS so fast and sometimes have such a strong accent that is takes many run-throughs to get it copied down completely.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2007, 04:28:35 PM »

Please tell me that ATIS was not broadcast over the ATIS frequency like that.  Hopefully this one was typed into some kind of voice software.  I prefer the Human over the machine.

Cannot speak specifically for Providence but I know for a fact that Boston's Logan Airport and Buffalo, NY, have their ATIS read over the ATIS frequency using this text-to-voice software.


Never heard of an ATIS broadcast like that before only computer generated voice ive heard is on the HIWAS, ASOS or AWOS.  Hopefully its easier to understand than this one.  Is it really that hard for a human to make an ATIS?  When I did them in my ATC class it was relatively quick and simple.

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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2007, 04:29:47 PM »

D-ATIS is much better than the old style human read ATIS.  Most large and medium sized airports have D-ATIS now, and I can usually copy it down in 1 run through due to the speed and clarity of the information.  Some controllers read ATIS so fast and sometimes have such a strong accent that is takes many run-throughs to get it copied down completely.

So I take it this ATIS posted here is distorted.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2007, 04:38:30 PM »

So I take it this ATIS posted here is distorted.

In my experience, minus the background noises in this clip, this ATIS "voice" is exactly what I hear over the frequency for the airports I mentioned.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2007, 04:40:00 PM »

It's a little muffled.  That's D-ATIS though.    But trust me, when you're moving towards an airport at 320 kts, trying to hear that is much easier than trying to hear a human voice reading 3 times faster.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2007, 04:58:12 PM »

Is it really that hard for a human to make an ATIS? 

In Syracuse the ATIS is produced by the clearance controller and I have been delayed at least a few times in retrieving my clearance while the controller "cuts a new ATIS."  With aviation fuel prices climbing, waiting a few minutes to get my clearance several times a year adds up and I would prefer the controllers be relieved of their duty to "cut a new ATIS" by this automation.

I do have to admit that I enjoy the human aspect of a controller's delivery, though.   You go from hearing the really, really bored delivery to the really humorous, and who doesn't laugh when you are listening to an ATIS monologue when all of a sudden there is a loud, "AH CHOO" or "HACK, HACK, COUGH, COUGH" from a nearby (presumably) tower controller.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2007, 05:06:19 PM »

Is it really that hard for a human to make an ATIS? 

In Syracuse the ATIS is produced by the clearance controller and I have been delayed at least a few times in retrieving my clearance while the controller "cuts a new ATIS."  With aviation fuel prices climbing, waiting a few minutes to get my clearance several times a year adds up and I would prefer the controllers be relieved of their duty to "cut a new ATIS" by this automation.

I do have to admit that I enjoy the human aspect of a controller's delivery, though.   You go from hearing the really, really bored delivery to the really humorous, and who doesn't laugh when you are listening to an ATIS monologue when all of a sudden there is a loud, "AH CHOO" or "HACK, HACK, COUGH, COUGH" from a nearby (presumably) tower controller.

Yea Ive just never heard it before, but then again Ive never really flown into busier airports besides Minneapolis but they didnt have it at the time. 
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2007, 05:12:07 PM »

It is a great system the FAA has put in.  It reduces their workload dramatically.  When its time for a new ATIS, all the controller has to do is approve the METAR and make any changes to the airport information section of the ATIS.  It is also combined with the same system that produces PDCs, another tool that controllers love.  Now if my airline were to get ACARS, I know the guys in the CVG ATCT would love it.  Getting a word in on clearance delivery during our heavy departure pushes is more challenging than asking JFK ground a question.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2007, 07:00:23 PM »

In Syracuse the ATIS is produced by the clearance controller and I have been delayed at least a few times in retrieving my clearance while the controller "cuts a new ATIS."  With aviation fuel prices climbing, waiting a few minutes to get my clearance several times a year adds up and I would prefer the controllers be relieved of their duty to "cut a new ATIS" by this automation.

Peter,

Even with D-ATIS you still may have to wait for CD to make changes via the computer.  This is especially true as weather  and airport conditions change rapidly.  Making the new ATIS takes priority over issuing clearances.  We used to have a Flight Data position in many towers that would make the ATIS, rip, stuff, and mark strips.  PDC made that position obsolete but CD sometimes needs some help.  Sorry for your delay.  I'm afraid it's only going to get worse as there are less and less of us each day.  I don't even want to think how many will retire after the new year.

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