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Hollis
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« on: February 23, 2013, 09:48:01 AM »

So who's at fault for this situation?? Controller or the AllNippon pilot?
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 10:08:12 AM »

Sounds like spacing was going to be a little tight but AllNippon crew sounded like they didn't get with the program.  Hard to tell when you're not there and no radar playback but it does happen.  Inconvenient, but that's what go-arounds are for.
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2013, 10:19:53 AM »

Well, if you ask me, if the inbound was that close, maybe the tower controller should have asked the ANA flight if they were ready for an immediate departure before he gave them clearance to line up and wait.  But one question is how much time elapsed from when they were given "Line up and wait" clearance to when they were asked "Are you ready?".  Was some dead air edited out of the recording?  If some time elapsed between those two transmissions and the ANA flight sat in position for some time, then maybe ANA should have let the tower know that they weren't quite ready yet to take the runway.  Just my thoughts...

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2013, 02:02:36 PM »

Most of the recording is in real time, especially the first part. As Dave said, spacing was a little tight, but the controller was expecting ANA to start rolling sooner, which they didn't, for whatever reason, hence the go for 5083 on short final. But all turned out OK. Wx could have been a factor? 
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2013, 02:43:21 PM »

I think a "immidiate takeoff" would have been better here.

I found this on flightaware http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CHQ5083/history/20130222/1515Z/KSDF/KORD

about the 5083 but the date is 02-22-2013.

No anomalies for the ANA11 Heavy: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA11/history/20130222/1645Z/KORD/RJAA
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2013, 06:12:08 PM »

Yes I hear it a lot..."Delta XXX, are you ready for an immediate?"  If no, he's told to hold short.  If yes, he'd probably get the takeoff clearance right there.  Or he might be told to "line up and wait, be ready to go right out".  But like you said Hollis, no harm came from it.  I also noticed that the tower didn't say anything else to the ANA flight until they were told to contact departure.  Not that this really means anything, it's just another observation...
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2013, 11:13:59 PM »

When dealing with pilots who first language isn't english you're sometimes limited in what you can say. Likewise the communication from the pilots isn't as free flowing at it would be from a native english speaker. In my experience the JAL and ANA are better then most, but often you are still limited to basic clearances you would find in an ATC 101 book  and unable/approved.
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