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« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2008, 11:16:54 AM »

I disagree with you guys. While the controller did give correct information and certainly the pilot made the error, when the pilot specifically asks "do I have clearence to cross?" the controller should have said "negative" so that it would be absolutely clear. It is these responses that can reduce incursions not response like "you should have been listening, I already told you." That said, I think my wife is highly qualified to be ATC...ha!
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« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2008, 01:15:24 PM »

Since this thread resurfaced I saw that we were waiting to see if anything related to this incident made it to the volunteer aviation safety reporting system.  I ran a query and one report did appear:  The controller's side of the incident, which is interesting given that the pilot was the one who failed to follow instructions.

Here is the full report (note the controller's narrative toward the bottom of the report):

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ACN: 750426 (1 of 1)

Time / Day

Local Time Of Day : 1801 To 2400
Date : 200707

Place

Locale Reference.Airport : PHL.Airport
State Reference : PA
Altitude.AGL.Single Value : 0

Environment

Flight Conditions : IMC
Light : Night

Aircraft : 1

Controlling Facilities.Tower : PHL.Tower
Operator.Common Carrier : Air Carrier
Make Model Name : B757-200
Operating Under FAR Part : Part 121
Flight Phase.Ground : Taxi
Flight Plan : IFR

Aircraft : 2

Controlling Facilities.Tower : PHL.Tower
Operator.Common Carrier : Air Carrier
Make Model Name : Regional Jet 200 ER&LR
Operating Under FAR Part : Part 121
Flight Phase.Ground : Takeoff Roll
Flight Plan : IFR

Person : 1

Affiliation.Government : FAA
Function.Controller : Local
Qualification.Controller : Radar
Experience.Controller.Limited Radar : 10
Experience.Controller.Radar : 2
Experience.Controller.Time Certified In Position1 : 2
Experience.Controller.Time Certified In Position2 : 2
ASRS Report : 750426

Events

Anomaly.Conflict : Ground Critical
Anomaly.Non Adherence : Published Procedure
Anomaly.Incursion : Runway
Independent Detector.Other.ControllerA
Resolutory Action.Controller : Issued New Clearance
Consequence.FAA : Investigated
Miss Distance.Horizontal : 700

Assessments

Problem Areas : Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem : Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident : Pilot Deviation

Narrative

WHILE WORKING LCL E ON A RWY 9 OP, I NOTICED A B757 APCH RWY 9L AT TXWY N. THE LCL W CTLR WAS ISSUING TAXIING INSTRUCTIONS TO THAT ACFT TO TURN AWAY FROM RWY 9L AND GO S, NOT N ON TXWY N. IT APPEARED THAT THE ACFT WAS NOT FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS. I HAD ALREADY ISSUED TKOF CLRNC TO A CRJ2 ON RWY 9L. I IMMEDIATELY CANCELED HIS TKOF CLRNC AND ADVISED HIM TO EXIT THE RWY AT TXWY T. A FEW MOMENTS LATER THE B757 ACFT CROSSED THE RWY. THE AMASS ALERTED BECAUSE THE CRJ2 WAS STILL SLOWING DOWN TO EXIT AT TXWY T. AFTER A REVIEW OF THE VOICE RECORDINGS, THE B757 PLT CROSSED THE RWY WITHOUT ATC AUTH.

Synopsis

PHL LCL CTLR DESCRIBED GND CONFLICT WHEN ACR ENTERED RWY WITHOUT CLRNC, REQUIRING TKOF CLRNC CANCELLATION AND INITIATING AMASS ALERT.
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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2008, 02:31:48 PM »

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