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derekjackson
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« on: January 10, 2012, 09:37:32 AM »

For details please see
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4490d65e&opt=0

Non-relevant transmissions edited out.
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2012, 10:21:04 AM »

Hmm that's an interesting one. In the original recording was there a gap between the time he cleared the Learjet for takeoff and when he issued to the runway crossing instruction to Southwest?
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 10:32:34 AM »

Hmm that's an interesting one. In the original recording was there a gap between the time he cleared the Learjet for takeoff and when he issued to the runway crossing instruction to Southwest?

No gap at all in the original recording, one instruction literally followed the other.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 12:37:26 PM »

Sort of sounded like the tower controller didn't want to admit that he was wrong by the way that he cut the crew off as they were asking for the tower phone number...

It is interesting how he cleared the guy for takeoff and then turned around and cleared the crew to taxi across the runway..doesn't make sense  huh
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 12:49:08 PM »

The controller's curt replies to the Southwest crew might have to do with denial or anger/guilt but at the same time it sounded like he had a lot on his plate with the airport traffic and needed to keep on top of things until he was relieved (which happened just a few minutes later).
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 12:52:06 PM »

The controller's curt replies to the Southwest crew might have to do with denial or anger/guilt but at the same time it sounded like he had a lot on his plate with the airport traffic and needed to keep on top of things until he was relieved (which happened just a few minutes later).

True, one thing that the recording does not show is how much traffic he was handling at the time.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 04:58:02 PM »

Uh, that's a really unusual one. Thanks for finding this one!

Still couldn't believe the instructions were in real-time, so also went back to the archive. Indeed they were... Full recording is the KMDW Tower 1500Z archive (incident is at minute 7):
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kmdw/KMDW-Twr-Dec-01-2011-1500Z.mp3

Pretty busy period for the controller - but of course, it shouldn't happen anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 07:42:31 AM »

credit to LiveATC...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/travel/midway-near-collision/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 10:28:16 PM »

One thing the NTSB will certainly have to look into is why the ASDE-X (airport surface detection equipment) alert didn't go off.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2012, 04:23:40 PM »

I'm not blaming the pilot, but if it was real time, then they definitely have a lack of situational awareness...like most crews. Especially if they were on the same frequency.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2012, 05:20:00 PM »

I'm not blaming the pilot, but if it was real time, then they definitely have a lack of situational awareness...like most crews. Especially if they were on the same frequency.

Yes, the instructions to the Southwest crew and the Learjet followed one another with no delay in between so that part was real time. I suppose the fact that the Southwest crew never caught the takeoff clearance was lack of situational awareness but on the other hand they may have just been listening to their callsign while not paying attention to anything else on the same frequency (there is only one tower frequency for midway). Not being a pilot nor do I know any, I don't know how carefully most flight crews listen for things not meant for them.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2012, 07:07:19 PM »

why would the controller have a discussion on the frequency for the world to hear about a possible mistake, call on the phone when you get back the terminal and talk about it.
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2012, 12:06:31 PM »

I think the MDW Tower phone number should be removed from this clip.

Otherwise, thanks for posting it!

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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2012, 06:24:47 PM »

Why? All the phone numbers are listed here
http://directory.faa.gov/appspub/National/EmployeeDirectory/FAADIR.nsf/%28ConverttoList%29?OpenAgent&7/AOA-001/AJO-0/AJN-0/AJT-0/AJT-C/AJT-CC/TCC-MDW&ZV=I11

also, it will still be part of the archived feeds until they are removed after a few more weeks...
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2012, 12:31:58 AM »

I'm not blaming the pilot, but if it was real time, then they definitely have a lack of situational awareness...like most crews. Especially if they were on the same frequency.

The Southwest crew broke the chain of errors that eventually leads to an accident by stopping short of the departing aircraft. I'm not sure if your comment "like most crews" means that us pilots are generally unaware of our surroundings during taxiing but if that is what you mean, it's an extremely ignorant and condescending thing to say.
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