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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2008, 07:54:40 PM »

Do any of you think that the long days lead to this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27808624/
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2008, 07:58:42 PM »

... now that gives you something to think about the next time you take a late afternoon flight!

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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2008, 07:59:56 PM »

I guess that's my cue to chime in.

Yes, unfortunately, we can legally (by the FARs) go up to 16 hours of duty in one day.  And we can legally (by the FARs) fly 6 days in a row without a day off.  But it is much more complex than that.

But, in most cases, the 121 carrier's crew rulesare more restrictive than the FARs, just to prevent breaking the FARs.  At my company, we cannot go more than 15:30 in a day.

The rest requirements are where it gets fairly complex.  They are all hinged around how many hours you fly in a constantly moving 24 hour period.  As a 121 pilot, you are required to get at least 9, 10, or 11 hours of rest (rest being defined as not on duty), but that can be reduced to either 8 or 9 hours, depending on how much you fly in the rolling 24 hours.  But if you do not get the required rest and are on the reduced rest, the next day you must receive a longer rest period (10, 11, or 12 hours) within 24 hours of beginning the rest period the day before, all within the 24 hour rolling day.

Yes, that last paragraph is confusing and complex.  Unfortunately, flying in the 121 world, there's more to know than just how to fly and how the plane works.

very nice information . thanks
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2008, 08:03:29 PM »

Playing the devils advocate, maybe there was another reason the pilot sounded so tired. One time I went for a checkride and thought I failed so I was quite disheartened and might have sounded like that. Also, it sort of sounds like he has something in his mouth, maybe recent dental work causing pain? Or maybe he got chewed out by his CA for doing something.

Or maybe working 16 hour days, who knows.
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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2008, 08:04:29 PM »

Do any of you think that the long days lead to this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27808624/

wow .  i wonder how hard he works past several days before that incident .  
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2008, 12:42:19 AM »

Do any of you think that the long days lead to this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27808624/

Wow, that article was hard to read - silly journalists.  Here's the real scoop for those interested, from the AAIU in Ireland:  http://www.aaiu.ie/upload/general/11139-0.pdf
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2008, 05:48:40 PM »

That's a lot better... thanks.  cool
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2008, 08:33:44 PM »

16 hr duty day is legal bar the FAR's. With no less than 8 hr of rest. Now the crappy part, rest starts 15 minutes after the chocks go in the wheels and end at show time of the next scheduled flight. So your crew gets 8 hrs to: Travel to hotel 20-40 mins, eat(mabey), prepare for sleep, sleep wake ,up and get ready, eat(mabey) travel to airport 20- 40 mins, go through TAS hell and walk to plane! 8 HRS REST DOES NOT EQUAL 8 HRS SLEEP!!!!   angry angry
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