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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2007, 07:10:00 PM »

Well to KSYR-pjr Ive asked my CFI teacher she says has heard the term before when she was flying as she was a Northwest airlines F/O.  Its not a term they teach in any of my aviation courses that I know of here although it seems to be widley accepted term in ATC. 
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2007, 07:24:24 PM »

There was a Bonanza crash last week most likely due to overgrossed conditions and density altitude. 

Elizabethton, TN.  http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20070907X01326&key=1

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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2007, 07:48:21 PM »

An identical Model aircraft under nearly the same flight conditions, and the exact same results.
I'd say that pretty much tells the story!
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2007, 09:02:38 PM »

There was a Bonanza crash last week most likely due to overgrossed conditions and density altitude. 

I came across that one the other day while perusing the accident database.  Man, that sucks.  Five people dead.  This is the type of accident that just destroys GA in the eyes of the non-flying masses.
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2007, 09:04:39 PM »

Well to KSYR-pjr Ive asked my CFI teacher she says has heard the term before when she was flying as she was a Northwest airlines F/O.  Its not a term they teach in any of my aviation courses that I know of here although it seems to be widley accepted term in ATC. 

Very good.  Like I alluded to before, nothing beats book smarts like actual experience.  Get out there and fly somewhere.
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2007, 09:39:42 PM »

Ill agree with you there... its hard to get out and fly somewhere else while I am at school as most of my flying takes place locally and there are very few cross country flights I can actually do right now.   Ive only been flying for 2 years so yes im relatively new.  I guess the most experience I will get is out in the real world when I get a job.  I guess you could say its a downside to going to an aeronautical university.  You are very limited on where you can go and what you can do. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2007, 09:50:38 PM »

let me share with you a little story...

a few weeks ago i took my cfi, my friend, and a full load of fuel up in a 1973 warrior.  the temperature was 105 degrees.  we had 6500 feet of runway to work with, so my cfi thought it would be a good lesson....it took almost the full length of the runway to build up enough speed to establish a safe climb...6500 feet!! 

Don't be fooled...Density Altitude kills pilots.
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2007, 10:05:09 PM »

A good lesson for sure! You were lucky though - you're CFI was pushing the envelope just a wee bit there.
For anyone wanting to experience the effects of density altitude, try this when you have some spare time:
Do a normal full throttle take-off and note the time and distance to your lift-off speed. Now try the same thing but using only constant 80% power from brake release (but be prepared to firewall the throtttle just in case).
Been there, done that...

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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2007, 02:05:16 PM »

I did know the meaning of NORDO but decided to see how quick I could locate the info. by using google.  In a few seconds the explanation was on my screen.  Give it a try.
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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2007, 04:28:09 PM »

Oh really... whats google never heard of it before.... is it another atc site?     tongue
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2007, 03:21:51 AM »

www.google.com
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2007, 03:23:09 AM »

RONLY is another term to look up.
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2007, 03:49:46 AM »

Oops RONLY did not work using google.com it means receive only when an aircraft cannot transmit but can still receive.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2007, 09:06:56 AM »

Just Google 'radio term RONLY'.
The first link tells it all.
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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2007, 02:02:09 AM »

Really sad video... they could have never expected that coming, happened so fast
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