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SirIsaac726
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« Reply #120 on: May 11, 2010, 03:25:17 PM »

Given just the recording, it's important to understand there were many variables involved and the winds may not have been the only factor in declaring the emergency.  While it is not specifically stated on this recording, the crew could have encountered a different abnormal condition which required an emergency to be declared in addition to winds being out of limits for 22L.  That said, the crew declared an emergency and deviated from the regulations to meet the extent of the emergency which is completely legal and what the crew thought was the best course of action given the circumstances in this situation.

Whether the declaration can or cannot be justified is not really our call to make.  There are too many unknowns at this point to make absolute statements.  When more details arise, we will be able to form opinions of greater detail and accuracy but until then, the speculation will continue.

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Jason

I agree but then why wasn't it just "AAL2 declaring an emergency, making the turn for 31R," rather than "If we don't get 31R, we are declaring an emergency."  If something came up, by all means declare.  But I don't understand why it would be it is either 31R or we'll be an emergency.
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« Reply #121 on: May 11, 2010, 04:17:00 PM »

Whatever happened  happened, but it sure was an interresting recording!

Are we enthusiasts or not?
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coz
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« Reply #122 on: May 21, 2010, 06:19:00 AM »

60.2: In emergency situations which require immediate decision and action the pilot may deviate from the rules prescribed in this part to the extent required by consideration of safety. When such emergency authority is exercised, the pilot, upon request of the Administrator, shall file a written report of such deviation. In an emergency situation which results in no deviation from the rules prescribed in this part but which requires air traffic control to give priority to an aircraft, the pilot of such aircraft shall make a report within 48 hours of such emergency situation to the nearest regional office of the Administrator.
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« Reply #123 on: May 23, 2010, 07:40:03 PM »

So...any updates on this?  Surely somebody found out something. 
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« Reply #124 on: May 24, 2010, 03:53:03 PM »

Great Catch!
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« Reply #125 on: June 05, 2010, 11:49:58 PM »

What an asshole.
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« Reply #126 on: June 06, 2010, 02:10:16 PM »

To add some info on this..  I checked the flight history in SABRE (AAL reservation system that shows the out and off, on and in times.  The flight was push back to take off in less then 10 min in LAX.  After declaring the emergency he arrived at the gate over 10 min early.  If there was a min fuel issue it would be very strange.  

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« Reply #127 on: June 06, 2010, 05:12:10 PM »

What an asshole.
 

I don't think we need to start making  disparaging comments about the crew,we were not there. The pilot in command determined his aircraft was in a emergency situation and according to the FAR's exercised his right to land his aircraft on the runway he felt necessary. Until we see a report or here from the crew involved we haft too leave it at that.   
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« Reply #128 on: June 07, 2010, 02:24:34 AM »

What an asshole.
 

I don't think we need to start making  disparaging comments about the crew,we were not there. The pilot in command determined his aircraft was in a emergency situation and according to the FAR's exercised his right to land his aircraft on the runway he felt necessary. Until we see a report or here from the crew involved we haft too leave it at that.   

Yes, well, due to the resourcefulness of the members here and the length of this thread, I think we have a pretty good picture of the situation.  While we obviously can't and won't know everything that went on in that cockpit, using the available information and our brains, I think we can REASONABLY conclude that for SOME reason the pilot was in a foul mood and decided to use his unquestionable power to declare an emergency simply to expedite the landing of his plane.  Similar to when cops turn on their emergency lights to avoid traffic.  I believe it was an irresponsible act that affected and possibly endangered everyone else in the airspace.  Further, any pilot who declares a real emergency and is still able to clearly communicate gives SOME idea of what the emergency is.  I've listened to hundreds of them, and SOME information about the nature is always given.  Clearly the tower was of the opinion it wasn't real too because they didn't even ask.  Based on everything in this thread, including my personal interpretation of the pilot's tone of voice and attitude over the radio, all of this is not at all an unreasonable assumption.  But of course it is still just an assumption.  Of course, there will always be people who will defend one side or the other in the face of overwhelming evidence either way.      Besides...a lot of AA pilots really are assholes.  wink
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« Reply #129 on: June 08, 2010, 03:43:26 PM »

Besides...a lot of AA pilots really are assholes.  wink

Nice. Thanks for stopping by!
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« Reply #130 on: June 08, 2010, 05:17:28 PM »

I'm sure AviatorJud meant his last editorial remark with humor, and I took it as such - but it got me to thinking that there are unpleasant pilots all over the place. Does American have more than their fair share?

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« Reply #131 on: June 08, 2010, 08:09:05 PM »

I'm sure AviatorJud meant his last editorial remark with humor, and I took it as such - but it got me to thinking that there are unpleasant pilots all over the place. Does American have more than their fair share?



Indeed, it was meant as humor.  However, anecdotally, AA does seem to tip the scale for some reason.  But maybe that's just too much hangar talk.
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« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2011, 05:05:07 PM »

Someone's recentish post mentioning the chock-to-chock time for the flight was a very interesting point, and it helped the opinion that fuel = no issue.  This clip has interested me for some time now.

The irritation in the pilot's voice is there, and I have enjoyed this thread's abundance of ideas towards figuring out the cause of his irritation!

I'm a skydive pilot.  My vote: the pilot may have had a genuine issue, but had limited regard for the operational effects he was incurring, solely due to his inefficient communicating.

If there's any follow-up to this incident, I may need help finding it please.
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« Reply #133 on: May 30, 2012, 10:23:57 PM »

Anyone ever hear more about what happened to this pilot?
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« Reply #134 on: May 31, 2012, 02:07:56 PM »

In another forum someone claimed the pilot was temporarily grounded without pay for this one. Hearsay though. And I can't even find the forum post now... But even if - it would still be hearsay. wink
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