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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2007, 12:06:44 AM »

Without going back and listening to the clip again, was it not a mainline Air Canada pilot that commented that he was flying with a female FO that night, and in 32 years he'd never heard anything like that? I think that may be the source of some confusion. I still have no doubt that the controller was referring to the female Jazz pilot.

And I do have to say that she definitely is a class act. If anyone had reason to make a fuss, it was her, and she was perfectly calm and non-accusatory about the whole thing.
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2007, 10:27:57 PM »

In my opinion, he clearly wasn't aiming anything at her. I don't see why he should get anything more than a reminder that the mic can be stuck.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2007, 10:46:35 PM »

In my opinion, he clearly wasn't aiming anything at her. I don't see why he should get anything more than a reminder that the mic can be stuck.

Swearing over a public-accessible frequency is against FCC (Federal Communications Commission) regulations here in the States and can result in some hefty fines from that governing body.  You just need to look at Howard Stern for proof of that.   Canada's FCC-equivalent has similar, if not tougher, rules.  And yes, the FCC in the States does control some aspects of air-to-air and air-to-ground communication frequencies.  I would imagine that this is the same in Canada.

Regardless of where his tirade was directed,  the controller swore over the air.   The fine was probably from the FCC-equivalent branch of the government (assuming there was one actually levied) and the suspension was most likely handed down by the agency for which he was working. 
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2007, 01:12:07 AM »


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Swearing over a public-accessible frequency is against FCC (Federal Communications Commission) regulations here in the States and can result in some hefty fines 
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Very well stated,  As a amateur radio operator, and a Ship Station license holder, and for pretty much all radio services, the penalties for making profane statements is pretty much the same.  a $10,000 fine and or 10 years in prison, plus the revokation of ones operating permit.  Weather or not it is directed toward anyone, or unintentional.

My mother is also a dispatcher for Highway Patrol, and if she made such a blunder, she would be looking at immediate termination, possibly without even much of an investigation, but the Lt. listening to the tapes.  Even though the same could be said that she works in a stressfull enviroment.

It's too bad this happened, especially if he was a good controller, but this sort of thing just isn't tollerated in many work places.



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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2007, 01:29:41 PM »

Hmm..

Who In Canada is responsible for enforcing such laws, is it Industry Canada or the CRTC?

My licence was issued by Industry Canada but I know that the CRTC handles violations on tv/radio. What about transmissions on other wavelengths/frequencies?
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2007, 02:03:46 PM »

I'm thinking that NavCanada has complete authority over the situation.
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2007, 02:21:10 PM »

No, Nav Canada is not an enforcement or regulating body.  They could suspend the controller, but any fines would be handed down by Industry Canada.

Also, I'd be VERY suprised if this controller was suspended for very long, if at all.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2007, 05:49:03 PM »

My favorite controller once said, when someone used naughty language on her frequency, "I'm more afriad of the FCC than I am of the FAA."
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2007, 11:14:30 PM »

The difference between the personalities stated and the unfortunate controller is that the controller did not intentionally make the broadcast. I suppose the guys who want him hanged have never made a mistake...Let those without sin cast the first stone...
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2007, 09:26:05 AM »

. I suppose the guys who want him hanged have never made a mistake...Let those without sin cast the first stone...

I am not sure to whom you are directing this but since I replied to you the first time, I'll assume it was me.  My post was simply stating a fact that the action itself was against a regulation, not implying innocence or guilt.     Unlike your post, mine was devoid of opinion.


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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2007, 10:48:29 AM »

I'm thinking this could make a good Sowthwest airlines ad.....want to get away?
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2007, 06:19:23 PM »

I'm thinking this could make a good Sowthwest airlines ad.....want to get away?

I think getting back to work ASAP is what this guy wants.
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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2007, 06:32:59 PM »

I'm not trying to throw words at anybody here. Sorry if that was the impression. I'm just surprised at the (apparant) lack of sympathy for what was obviously an honest mistake.
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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2007, 07:36:22 PM »

I'm just surprised at the (apparant) lack of sympathy for what was obviously an honest mistake.

I agree with you.  Around the web I've been seeing things like "he should be instantly fired" or "he should be gone".  I don't see how punishment that severe could be constructive in any way.
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2007, 11:45:10 AM »

. I'm just surprised at the (apparant) lack of sympathy for what was obviously an honest mistake.

Its not a lack of symptahy on our part. Mistakes happen we have all been there, If it was simply up to the aviation enthusiast community, the guy would allready be back at work with a stern warning.

However in this day and age with the PC police running rampant, and  with most government agencies, it's not that simple.

You start getting into the nice area of ZERO tolerance, and thats where you get screwed and have little or no defense.

Belive me.. I've been there!!!!  It's not fun, and the outcomes are usually not pretty.
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