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« on: January 04, 2007, 01:06:37 PM »

Thanks go to kkjlai for this find.  I was just the editor of the clip.  Smiley

A Toronto controller, not realizing his mike was open and blocking aircraft readbacks, lets loose a series of swear words.  Ouch!

(Clip contains words that may be offensive to some - listener discretion advised)

Note that I included a minute or two of responses after the slip-up in this clip, but they are somewhat disjointed due to this  feed scanning other frequencies.  The gist of the conversation is very obvious, however.

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2007, 01:32:57 PM »

I was wondering why I hadn't heard my favourite guy for a while. That's shocking.  After listening to the Toronto feed for a year and a half, that's my favourite controller, for certain. Really unlucky that the pilot that called right after happened to be a woman.  This controller showed nothing but enthusiasm and class, I looked forward to hearing him.  Shame, really. shocked sad

This is the controller who handled Air France 358 as he came in on August 2, 2005.  After the crash, he expedited a heavy KLM flight and a few Air Canada's off the 24L localizer to their alternates, while sounding stressed because he didn't know the severity of the AF incident, but he handled it well.

Hope he gets back to work soon, and that this doesn't impact his controlling future.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2007, 03:21:10 PM »

Ouch.

If it had been me flying, I might have wanted to give this read back:  "Up to one-three thousand, Jazz, s__ f__ c__, 7844."

Also, Adrian8, it wasn't unlucky.  That's who he was insulting.  He thought she wasn't responding.

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2007, 03:40:07 PM »

Also, Adrian8, it wasn't unlucky.  That's who he was insulting.  He thought she wasn't responding.

In the A.net thread they're making a good case that he was referring to the communications equipment and whatever was happening, not specifically the female pilot.  Even so, I said "unlucky" because controllers lots of things about pilots under their breath, it was just unlucky that this one got on frequency.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2007, 03:57:58 PM »

My golly! That was embarrassing for everyone, I am sure. Terribly unfortunate. The saying: "What you don't know [in this case, "hear"] can't hurt you" really holds so true in this case.

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2007, 04:19:46 PM »

Haven't heard him back yet, this happened 15 days ago.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2007, 04:23:21 PM »

In the A.net thread they're making a good case that he was referring to the communications equipment and whatever was happening, not specifically the female pilot.

Yeah, I heard that at the end of the clip too.  Of course, we'll never know for sure.  (I meant to add to my earlier post -- "that's how I interpret it".)

Can you provide a link to the other thread?
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2007, 04:38:34 PM »

Yeah, I heard that at the end of the clip too.  Of course, we'll never know for sure.  (I meant to add to my earlier post -- "that's how I interpret it".)

Can you provide a link to the other thread?

Try:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3179934/

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2007, 07:03:14 PM »

Ouch I feel bad for that guy.  I think it's kind of unfair that he gets in so much trouble over this; he didn't even know he  was transmitting, and was frustrated that pilots were not receiving his transmissions.  Didn't he swear at the first pilot to say no offense and not the woman pilot?
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2007, 09:30:08 PM »

Great clip, my jaw dropped when I listened to that one. The female pilot was a good sport about the whole thing though.

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2007, 10:22:25 PM »

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In the A.net thread they're making a good case that he was referring to the communications equipment and whatever was happening, not specifically the female pilot.


Sorry. I don't buy that. If you listen to the unedited version, at 28:09 she checks in and he radar identifies her. From then on, there's no question that there's a woman associated with that callsign. Besides which, he wasn't aware that he had an equipment problem until after he'd said it.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2007, 10:25:29 PM »

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In the A.net thread they're making a good case that he was referring to the communications equipment and whatever was happening, not specifically the female pilot.


Sorry. I don't buy that. If you listen to the unedited version, at 28:09 she checks in and he radar identifies her. From then on, there's no question that there's a woman associated with that callsign. Besides which, he wasn't aware that he had an equipment problem until after he'd said it.

Exactly what I was thinking.  She was very gracious to give him the "out" that she did.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2007, 10:42:07 PM »

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In the A.net thread they're making a good case that he was referring to the communications equipment and whatever was happening, not specifically the female pilot.


Sorry. I don't buy that. If you listen to the unedited version, at 28:09 she checks in and he radar identifies her. From then on, there's no question that there's a woman associated with that callsign. Besides which, he wasn't aware that he had an equipment problem until after he'd said it.

Exactly what I was thinking.  She was very gracious to give him the "out" that she did.

That's most likely the case here, as dissapointing as it is. I was just curious as to why several pilots piped in to say that he was referring to the equipment, and was stressed out etc.  The woman that says "I don't think he was reffering to the female pilot of Air Canada", who was that?
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2007, 08:50:54 AM »

I was just curious as to why several pilots piped in to say that he was referring to the equipment, and was stressed out etc. 

Speaking as a general aviation IFR pilot, I suspect that the pilots recognized the controller was stressed and were giving him a break.  Additionally, it sounds much more professional to offer compassion over the airwaves rather than condemnation.

The woman that says "I don't think he was reffering to the female pilot of Air Canada", who was that?

My interpretation is that the pilot was referring to the aircraft's airline name, rather than ATC callsign.  Jazz is a regional carrier for Air Canada, are they not?
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2007, 09:54:04 AM »

My interpretation is that the pilot was referring to the aircraft's airline name, rather than ATC callsign.  Jazz is a regional carrier for Air Canada, are they not?

That is correct.
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