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« on: July 06, 2013, 03:07:58 PM »

Just heard about a 777 crash @ SFO?

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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2013, 03:17:38 PM »

Asia B777. Waiting on more details.

Reports indicate emergency landing declared.  - This is unconfirmed.

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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2013, 03:20:21 PM »

video taken from the airport....

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2013, 04:03:53 PM »

http://soberbuildengineer.com/content/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2013, 04:46:05 PM »

Looks like everyone survived.
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2013, 04:58:51 PM »


Fantastic work by ATC clearing the airspace.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2013, 05:17:18 PM »

Any guesses on what the Asiana pilot is saying?
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2013, 05:33:43 PM »

Any guesses what went wrong on the craft?
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2013, 05:54:46 PM »

Latest (unconfirmed) is that the plane came in too low and hit the sea wall, tearing off the tail section.  Then the rest hit the runway hard, smashing the landing gear
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2013, 05:55:18 PM »

As to why....pilot error not setting the correct altimeter setting?
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2013, 06:01:50 PM »

Now reports of 2 fatalities and 60+ injured.  Multiple burn injuries.
And of course, an exasperated Ex-United pilot wondering why people stopped to grab their carry on baggage.
The clip posted on here only starts after the Asiana 214 pilot declares his emergency on the ground---
Sounds like everything was just going to be a normal day until suddenly it wasn't.

Debris field starts at the seawall; random guess? He was flaring and held the nose too high on a low approach, pushed the tail into the rocks, ripped the back end of the aircraft off.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2013, 06:23:50 PM »

Now reports of 2 fatalities and 60+ injured.  Multiple burn injuries.

Emergency services repeated ALL occupants have been accounted for in response to media reports that two people have been killed and said, these reports are untrue. A number of people were taken to hospitals with injuries of varying degrees.

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http://www.avherald.com/h?article=464ef64f&opt=0
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2013, 08:15:18 PM »

Aviation Herald have backtracked on that, after the FAA press conference and the Fire Chief categorically reporting two confirmed fatalities. 28 people in hospital, 67 unaccounted for.

EDIT: further backtrack, only one person unaccounted for now.

Commendable job by all concerned. Thoughts are with the fallen.
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2013, 10:24:01 PM »

It is unclear to me from the youtube link if the pilot had declared an emergency prior to landing.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2013, 10:32:45 PM »

Here is something that I have not heard in the news AT ALL.  If you listen to the ATC tapes a few minutes prior to the incident, there are reports from pilots to the tower of three people walking around the water's edge between RWY 28L and RWY 28R.  I hope this accident wasn't a result of terrorist activity!  The recording is not found on the widely available accident audio clip.  This portion of the recording, can, however, be found on this website in the archives, and is on the tape at around 25-27 minutes past the hour, and is shortly before the United pilot requested about a 2 minute delay on his departure.  Sorry, I don't remember the exact time, but you can find it. 
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2013, 11:06:05 PM »

ilsrwy35r: I believe the comments to which you are referring can be heard on KSFO tower feel 1800Z at around 27:00 and are after the crash.
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2013, 09:13:28 AM »

and if you listen further, United 885 refers to them (the pedestrians "near the 28L numbers") as apparent survivors.
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2013, 12:38:24 PM »

I'm absolutely amazed at the professionalism of the controllers and pilots. As someone who flys somewhat frequently I never had a clue as to the amount of interplay between the tower and pilots. 
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2013, 03:28:22 PM »

In the stream it sounds like UA 885 (a fully loaded 747 headed for Kansai), is holding short of 28L when the Asiana came down.
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2013, 04:59:19 PM »

NTSB says stick shaker with a "go around" heard on CVR, and speed below threshold (137kts) on last second of approach on the FDR.  Phone cam via CNN shows high AOA with a cartwheel, not a rollover down the runway.

Armchair speculation: Pilot Error...
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2013, 05:06:42 PM »

New Video shows crash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Orw3rbj5MI

Looks like he was below the glideslope. Probably saw four red lights from the looks of it.

NOTAMs indicate that the glideslope indicator was OTS, so he was probably doing a visual approach:

Data Current as of: Sun, 07 Jul 2013 21:03:00 UTC
SFO   SAN FRANCISCO INTL !SFO 07/039 SFO NAV ILS RWY 28R LLZ/DME OTS 0700-1500 DLY WEF 1307080700-1307121500
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2013, 07:14:26 PM »

CNN reported voice recorders indicate the pilot was starting go around procedures 1.5 seconds before impact. That's sounds like a bad altimeter setting, I'm not familiar with the 777 but he couldn't have known how close he was to the ground.
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2013, 07:54:18 PM »

CNN reported voice recorders indicate the pilot was starting go around procedures 1.5 seconds before impact. That's sounds like a bad altimeter setting, I'm not familiar with the 777 but he couldn't have known how close he was to the ground.

They were on a visual approach from, i.e. they had the runway in sight (and it appears from more then 7 miles out. Barring other issues with the plane all they needed to conduct a safe landing were their eyes and accurate airspeed. Also 777s have radar altimeters which are not dependent the altimeter setting to give them a very precise above ground altitude.
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2013, 01:27:03 AM »

CNN reported voice recorders indicate the pilot was starting go around procedures 1.5 seconds before impact. That's sounds like a bad altimeter setting, I'm not familiar with the 777 but he couldn't have known how close he was to the ground.

Doubt it's an altimeter issue. NTSB reported that their approach speed was 137kts at a 7 mile final, with flaps at 30, but also indicated that the speed was significantly slower. Stick shakers started to go off at 1.5 seconds before impact, meaning that their speed was slow enough to cause a stall. Then they started to power up then impact. I'm thinking it's a speed issue at this point, but we'll wait to see what the FDR has to say. They simply didn't have the speed to land and hit the sea wall and PAPIs instead.

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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2013, 11:42:40 AM »

Now reports of 2 fatalities and 60+ injured.  Multiple burn injuries.

Emergency services repeated ALL occupants have been accounted for in response to media reports that two people have been killed and said, these reports are untrue. A number of people were taken to hospitals with injuries of varying degrees.

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http://www.avherald.com/h?article=464ef64f&opt=0

AvHerald is now saying two confirmed dead in the crash:

"In a second press conference Saturday evening (Jul 6th San Francisco local time) the fire chief reported, all passengers and crew have been accounted for, final numbers were 2 occupants killed, 10 in critical condition, 38 with serious injuries, 82 with minor injuries, 175 uninjured. The confusion about people being not accounted for was the result of survivors being taken to two different locations at the airport. The two fatalities were 16 year old Chinese girls travelling as part of a school outing."

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=464ef64f&opt=0
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