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« on: November 01, 2011, 12:55:48 PM »

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b&opt=0

Fine job by the flight crew in performing the gearless landing with no reported injuries on board.

Video available: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15543315

I don't like how the media are calling it a "crash landing" - I personally prefer "emergency belly landing"

EDIT: Liveatc does have Warsaw tower recordings at the time of the incident however it's all in Polish and I don't understand the language.
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2011, 01:43:00 PM »

Do you have any link to that recordings? I can understand that language Smiley. Best regards
Jarek

BTW: That was the most viewed event today in Poland. Thanks to live TV shows the whole nation was watching the landing.
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 02:04:10 PM »

yeah, I saw that this morning on avherald...very, very, good job by the crew...thanks derek
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 02:19:53 PM »

Hey Jarek,

According to avherald, the landing took place at 13:40Z, so you should find it at about the 10 minute mark in this clip:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/epwa/EPWA-Twr-Nov-01-2011-1330Z.mp3

Do you have audacity? the background noise is high on this recording but it can be cleaned up using the supercool reduce noise feature!  grin
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 02:48:07 PM »

Yes I can listen to it. Thank you a lot!
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 03:30:39 PM »

For who do not understand Polish

Translate with google translate, but with a few corrected:

TWR: LOT16, Tower?
LOT16: LOT16, establish ILS to 33
TWR: LOT16, cleared to land, wind 100, 4 kts  For information on your short final to disable runway lighting
LOT16: We have cleared to land, thank you.
TWR: LOT16 Report runway in sight
LOT16: We report runway in sight, LOT16.
TWR: Good luck
LOT16: "pressing and releasing the transmission button" - a form of signaling the adoption of information.
LOT16: (unintelligible) check - probably windcheck
TWR: 120 degrees, 5 knots.
LOT16: Thank you.
TWR: LOT16, runway in sight?
LOT16: Yes, runway in sight.
TWR: Turn off lights.
LOT16: Thank you.
TWR: LOT16, no gear.
LOT16: Thank you.



transcription from www.tvn24.pl
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 06:08:08 PM »

Can the airplane be repaired after such successful belly landing (or to be more precise - is it financially worth it) or will it just be disassembled for spare parts?
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 06:24:45 PM »

That's what we'll be finding out in the near future when everything's assessed. The good folks over at airliners.net mostly think it will fly another day with only a couple here and there predicting a write-off.

The bigger issue at hand is why the airplane was permitted to continue the flight to Warsaw under ETOPS conditions when they knew they had a hydraulic issue 30 minutes after takeoff from Newark?
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2011, 06:43:41 AM »

an update from the av-herald and video

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b&opt=0

I agree with you, derek, It is sorta weird that they knew that their center hydraulic system wasn't working right...and they continued on...
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 09:13:14 AM »

The good folks at airliners.net are predictably arguing over that point now. Since we are getting "second hand" information from the LOT website, it is possible the crew received a low hydraulic pressure warning instead of a total failure. In that case (so they say) the flight could have been continued. I think if a hydraulic system had totally failed, they would not have continued the flight to Warsaw "just to calm the passengers" (as some people believe) but they would have dumped fuel and landed back at Newark.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 10:19:45 AM »

Excellent job by all involved! Text book belly landing!  cool
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 12:30:40 PM »

I'm a little surprised that LOT dispatch let the plane fly, I realize gear failure isn't vital to the in flight operations of the plane, however, if something else had gone wrong and they had to land sans gear at a less than ideal or rural airport, this story may have been very different.
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 06:01:50 PM »

a new update again...

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b&opt=0

I think that we might see this thing fly again...
"...aircraft was towed to a hangar for further assessment of the damage, which after a first check is said to be surprisingly small."
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2011, 08:10:16 PM »

The bigger issue at hand is why the airplane was permitted to continue the flight to Warsaw under ETOPS conditions when they knew they had a hydraulic issue 30 minutes after takeoff from Newark?

Recalling the flight back to EWR would have resulted in about $300,000+ in refunds to 220 passenger plus the cost of putting all 220 passengers up in hotels.  It should come as no surprise that they decided to let it continue.  Personally, I would rather have gone as well.  The plane was going to have a gear up landing in EWR or in Poland.  Might as well do it the correct destination.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2011, 05:11:36 PM »

Recalling the flight back to EWR would have resulted in about $300,000+ in refunds to 220 passenger plus the cost of putting all 220 passengers up in hotels.  It should come as no surprise that they decided to let it continue.  Personally, I would rather have gone as well.  The plane was going to have a gear up landing in EWR or in Poland.  Might as well do it the correct destination.

And in the light of day . . . in a familiar airport.
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2011, 05:20:31 PM »

Fantastic landing. What I was also impressed with is how immediately the crew started emptying the plane. The rear door opens three seconds after full-stop, and people are on the pavement ten seconds later! The biggest delay is the chute inflating!

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2011, 06:22:28 PM »

The above video link isn't working (for me) so here's a better one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f6IDgL0i5ew
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2011, 06:31:26 PM »

They all performed really well - inside and outside the aircraft. It certainly helped that they all had more than enough time to prepare.

Also great: 2:15 minutes after full stop, they had three (!) busses arriving. Can't complain about the service! wink
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 08:46:42 AM »

"On Wednesday cranes and air cushions were able to lift the aircraft off the runway with the engines remaining attached to the wings, the gear could subsequently be released and the aircraft was towed to a hangar for further assessment of the damage, which after a first check is said to be surprisingly small."

From the updated AvHerald:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b&opt=0
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 10:43:53 AM »

Here's a video taken from inside the airplane, not too good at first, but still...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TM-1tOVAf0&feature=youtu.be

Makes you feel like you're  there kinda
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2011, 11:20:23 AM »

Nice find Whuts! I had to watch and listen very closely to tell when the plane touched down, and the only thing I noticed was that people applauded. No sound of scraping or screaming!
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2011, 09:42:01 PM »

I couldn't tell they landed until he looked out the window.
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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2011, 08:53:50 PM »

Here's an NYC Aviation link to video of the damage on the aircraft.  May be a write-off but, externally, it really doesn't look that bad.

http://nycaviation.com/2011/11/video-lot-767-damage-closeups-after-belly-landing-in-warsaw/
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2011, 07:51:00 AM »

Could have been a lot worse! In fact, I was expecting it to be much worse then that.
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2011, 07:36:40 AM »

an updated article...

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b/0005&opt=0

I think that emptying a plane with 231 people in 90 seconds is pretty good don't you?
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