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« on: December 20, 2011, 12:50:37 PM »

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/12/victims_in_i-287_plane_crash_a.html

Sadly, there are reports of at least 3 dead.  Plane took off from Teterboro at 9:50am and scheduled to land near Atlanta.  

I tried searching the Teterboro feed, but I just get silence in the archives.  I also can't seem to find the NY center feed.  MMU did not have any contact (that I heard) even though the plane crashed right near the airport.
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 01:24:05 PM »

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I tried searching the Teterboro feed, but I just get silence in the archives.

N731CA, search the 14:30Z archives starting around 14:50Z ....

http://www.liveatc.net/archive.php?m=kewr_dep

http://www.liveatc.net/archive.php?m=kewr_ny_app_lib

Once handed off to New York Departure on 120.850 most of the transmissions are blocked out by the other frequency, the last call from the aircraft picked up on the archive was a report that they were "just entering the IMC now". Reports of "moderate", "severe" and even "extreme" icing were being reported in the area.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 02:41:29 PM »

http://www.liveatc.net/forums/atcaviation-audio-clips/tbm-700-n731ca-crash-outside-of-mmu/
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 03:07:53 PM »

Thanks, guys.  Very tragic accident.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 05:03:33 PM »

Every accident is tragic.  When families are along for the ride it hits home even more, especially for those of us who fly.

This is an old AD that was published for the TBM-700 regarding flying in certain types of extreme icing:

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/09de59381815b33786256a65006f48f7!OpenDocument&ExpandSection=-3

It would be interesting to learn whether a standard weather briefing would have advised the pilot of known icing or if there were any PIREPs.

However you cut it, my heart goes out to the family and friends of the deceased.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2011, 09:58:23 PM »

Is it unusual for small planes to be prohibited from flying in icing conditions?  Is that AD unusual for this model or common to small planes?  It seems like the pilot should have requested a different routing rather than try to fly through a known icing area.  Is this a case of the pilot saying to himself, "I know this plane is not supposed to be flown in icing conditions, but I can handle it."?
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2011, 11:02:46 PM »

When you follow the flight through 18,000 feet and then it begins to lose altitude with increasing velocity, it becomes obvious the aircraft is out of control.  Icing would and should be suspected--most likely on control surfaces but possibly also within the engine intake or compressor section. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 01:10:51 PM »

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/klns/ZNY-MDT-Dec-20-2011-1500Z.mp3


at approximately 03:44 on the tape (link above), it does sound like attempt was made to declare an emergency, because it sounds like an individual says "731 charley alpha declaring " , then transmission ends abruptly. Time-wise that would be approx 10:03:44 local. My heart goes out to the family and friends of the occupants of this flight.
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 05:31:01 PM »

Earlier in the recording, it seems that he was saying that he had some light icing but that he was handling it.  Then yes, he def. says that he is declaring.
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