Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
August 23, 2014, 03:18:42 PM
Home Help Login Register      
News: LiveATC.net Flyers Released!  Please click here to download & print a copy and be sure to post at an airport near you!


+  LiveATC Discussion Forums
|-+  Air Traffic Monitoring
| |-+  Listener Forum (Moderators: dave, RonR)
| | |-+  "I read you 5 by 5, sir"
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 Go Down Print
Author Topic: "I read you 5 by 5, sir"  (Read 12521 times)
Cessna172
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 106


« on: April 18, 2006, 11:09:50 PM »

As an avid VATSIM pilot, I have heard the phrase "5 by 5" ever since I started flying on VATSIM, in fact I've used it myself a couple of times. I know it can be used in lieu of "read you loud and clear." However, my question is: can the phrase be used in real world aviation? In all of my hours flying GA aircraft, I have never heard the phrase "5 by 5" used. Can anyone help?

Thanks!! Cheesy

Cessna172
Home Airport: West Houston Airport (KIWS)
Logged
Jason
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1260


CFI/CFII


« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2006, 11:13:59 PM »

Quote from: Cessna172
As an avid VATSIM pilot, I have heard the phrase "5 by 5" ever since I started flying on VATSIM, in fact I've used it myself a couple of times. I know it can be used in lieu of "read you loud and clear." However, my question is: can the phrase be used in real world aviation? In all of my hours flying GA aircraft, I have never heard the phrase "5 by 5" used. Can anyone help?

Thanks!! Cheesy

Cessna172
Home Airport: West Houston Airport (KIWS)


Although it's not phraseology listed in the Pilot/Controller Glossary, I've heard the phrase used 100s if not 1000s of times on frequencies around the US.
Logged
Kalpazan
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 79


« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2006, 11:45:50 PM »

That phrase is used both by pilots and controllers to identify the level of readability of the other side. In this case "5 by 5" means excellent quality. Often you will hear one of them to say "<callsign>, how do you read me?" where the answer will be "I read you 5 by 5, <callsign>" for example.

Hope this helps...
Logged

LBBG - Burgas, Bulgaria Feeder
SadWinter
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 13


« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2006, 01:08:26 AM »

5x5 Perfect
1x1 Very Bad
Logged
Jane G
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 49


« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2006, 03:28:54 AM »

I'd always thought that it was a rating of both clarity and signal strength with a different rate for each, say 5x4 would mean 5 for transmission clarity and 4 for signal strength. or the other way around. But that's just an assumption.
Logged
SadWinter
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 13


« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2006, 04:46:16 AM »

Well, in fact I am not really sure, here in Colombia they only used one number
"I copy 5"
"Copy 3"...etc
Logged
Biff
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 373



WWW
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2006, 09:38:14 AM »

I use "5x5" all the time.    I've had to catch myself from answering "lickin chicken" once or twice.  

Bad habits I pick up from online flight sims.  Smiley
Logged

spallanzani
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 33


« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2006, 09:55:07 AM »

The following applies to Canada:

Reply to a request for a radio check in the following form:

A. (Aircraft identification);
B. (Unit identification if required);
C. READ YOU (readability number);
D. (Time and altimeter if appropriate).

The readability scale using figures 1 to 5 has the following meaning:

1- Unreadable;
2- Readable now and then;
3- Readable but with difficulty;
4- Readable;
5- Perfectly readable.
Logged
illini52
Guest
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2006, 10:53:18 AM »

It comes from the Military
Logged
bcrosby
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 332



WWW
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2006, 11:42:53 AM »

Quote from: spallanzani
The following applies to Canada:
The readability scale using figures 1 to 5 has the following meaning:

1- Unreadable;
2- Readable now and then;
3- Readable but with difficulty;
4- Readable;
5- Perfectly readable.[/i]


I've used and heard:

"readability 4" or "readability 5"
Logged

spallanzani
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 33


« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2006, 02:09:43 PM »

That's not military only. I've already heard "Air Canada 123, read you 5".

The information in my previous message was taken from the MANOPS (Manual of operations for ATCs in Canada).
Logged
Cessna172
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 106


« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2006, 07:05:34 PM »

Jason, Kalpazan, SadWinter, Jane G, Biff, spallanzani, illini52, bcrosby, and anyone else who posts after this post,

Thank you all very much!!  Cheesy  To me, all of the variations of saying "5 by 5" are very interesting. Thank you all again for making me more knowledgeable. However, I don't get the "lickin chicken" phrase, Biff. Cheesy

Cessna172
Home Airport: West Houston Airport (KIWS)
www.westhoustonairport.com
Logged
Skeptic_All
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 6


« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2006, 09:35:13 PM »

In his book of aviation cartoons, There I Was, Bob Stevens harkens back to those "radio quality buffoons" who use to spend more time on radio checks than on their engine performance checks.  He uses as an example a fellow who whistled, huffed, puffed, amonst other things into his microphone before asking the tower for a radio check.  The tower responded that his transmitter was 2 by 2.  When the pilot came back demanding to know why his transmission was only received 2 by 2, the tower controller retorted, it was too damned loud and too damned often.  I always wanted the opportunity to use that line before retiring.....too bad I never got the chance.
Logged
Biff
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 373



WWW
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2006, 11:53:25 PM »

Lickin Chicken = Loud and Clear.  Wink

I didn't figure it out until about the 3rd time I heard it.  I picked that up from an Army flyer.
Logged

Cessna172
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 106


« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2006, 10:16:00 PM »

Quote from: Biff
Liickin Chicken = Loud and Clear.  Wink

I didn't figure it out until about the 3rd time I heard it.  I picked that up from an Army flyer.


HAHA!  Cheesy

Thanks!

Cessna172
Home Airport: West Houston Airport (KIWS)
CAF Open House this weekend at KIWS
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 Go Up Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2011, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!