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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2007, 11:10:09 AM »

I have to agree that the notion of a controller fan club is a bit over the top.  I tend to stick with standard phraseology, which hopefully should not draw attention to myself.  The last thing that I want in today's FAA is attention drawn to me by some outside group.  They are looking for reasons to get rid of us right now if you haven't noticed.  I won't try to give them a reason.  I hope you all won't either.

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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2007, 01:03:06 AM »

Just another note from a controller... This site is extremely educational for all who listen, however it can show you how to talk and how not to. As far as the phraseology of Boston John, sorry to say, but it makes me cringe. It's definetely not 7110.65 and because of that, he could find himself in hot water. Imagine if there was an incident and they pulled the tapes and transcribed everything he said. Not what you would want to read in the court papers. Also consider what happens to him if higher ups get wind of his transmissions due to this web site or one like it, and then you no longer hear B. John anymore. Like the other poster said, the FAA is trying their best to get rid of us, try not to help them!
      As far as this website goes, I stumbled upon it about 2 months ago. No one else from my facility had ever heard of it before.
     It really doesn't affect us when we're on position if someone is monitoring our freq. The FBOs and the fire stations are. We know that there are those with scanners around. As long as we stay with approved phraseology, we have nothing to be ashamed of. It may not be noteworthy for those of you on this forum, but it is as good as gold when they pull our tapes, transcribe our transmissions, and find no fault in our phraseology. As a side note, when I train controllers, I am rather anal about their phraseology that it be by the book. My reasoning is that when phraseology becomes second nature and you are able to rap it out without thinking about it, it gives you more time to actually control airplanes. The same should go for pilots...
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2007, 01:23:06 AM »

100% agree with you RV.

Im much more concerned about LIVEATC generated the kind of media publicity that gets certain people looked at when they thought they were only talking to people who would understand.

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2007, 11:22:44 AM »

Very interesting discussion about Boston John's .65 adherence. I'm only a pretend controller (VATSIM), but listening to him, he strikes an interesting balance of joking around AND great adherence to the .65.  Strip out the friendly/funny greetings, and his actual instructions seem to adhere perfectly to the .65. 

It's some of the controllers at OTHER facilities that say things like "Golf, Alpha Bravo, November, short of 31L" (I just made up the taxiways and rwys, but the idea is the same), rather than "rwy xx, taxi via Golf, Alpha Bravo, November, hold short of rwy 31L"

John seems to add a lot of "Goooooood morning" and "adios" calls, but when he's giving instructions, they seem to be right on the .65 money, from the times I've heard him at least.
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2007, 11:30:18 AM »

Oh, as for the fan pages thing...I understand the impulse to say that it's gone too far...but I think that the existence of a fan page is harmless, by and large.

I honestly think some of the clips in our very own forum that show controllers in moments of weakness when they're tired/grumpy/frazzled probably have the potential to do more harm to a controller's career than a simple fan page.  The reason?  Liveatc is a site that appears to be growing in popularity.  Once the media finds out that they can 'pull the tapes' virtually immediately after an alleged incident from the bulk of major airports, this site could become incredibly well known.  If the media, or any concerned citizen were then to stroll through the clips forum, they might be concerned about what they hear (regarding a controller's behavior, warranted or not), and then start moving things up the chain.

That seems like a much more likely outcome, in my mind, than a fan page leading to the demise of a controller. In short, the only ppl who are liklely to see the fan page are discerning liveatc listeners, whereas the audience for the liveatc forums is much wider.

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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2007, 12:38:09 PM »

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I honestly think some of the clips in our very own forum that show controllers in moments of weakness when they're tired/grumpy/frazzled probably have the potential to do more harm to a controller's career than a simple fan page.

I agree, while I like having access to the recordings, I cringe sometimes when I see some of the clips that get posted here. Access to these recording provides a great learning tool but unfortunately the majority of the posters here seem to be using them for their own entertainment. These are people doing their jobs, give them a break, posting some of these clips is going to far. IMO. DJ
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2007, 06:47:05 AM »

As far as B.john's transmissions, I have only listened to a few. One of the ones I did listen to was when he said that they needed to come up with a different name than 'Air Wisconsin'. If you listen closely, he starts to lose his frequency right at the end as the pilots all chime in with their ideas. You may consider that harmless and certain times of the day it may be, but it's too easy to get caught up. As I posted, the FAA would love to see the higher paid (translated to 'old pay band') out of the Agency. This is ammo for them.
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2007, 11:52:22 AM »

As far as B.john's transmissions, I have only listened to a few. One of the ones I did listen to was when he said that they needed to come up with a different name than 'Air Wisconsin'. If you listen closely, he starts to lose his frequency right at the end as the pilots all chime in with their ideas. You may consider that harmless and certain times of the day it may be, but it's too easy to get caught up. As I posted, the FAA would love to see the higher paid (translated to 'old pay band') out of the Agency. This is ammo for them.

That wasn't Boston John.  You're thinking of the wrong person if that's the xmission you're basing it on.  The big clue is the controller saying "...Philly Tower..." several times in the clip.
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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2007, 12:46:38 PM »

I remember that morning.  That Philly guy was going on about Air Wisconsin all morning; some really funny transmissions in there.
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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2007, 01:56:15 PM »

I stand corrected but the concept is still the same. What qualifies as entertainment for some is a potential problem for others. Often I have heard a controller say to some extent "Don't call me, I'll call you, until then don't key up!" Frequency conjestion is bad enough. You can't imagine the feeling when you NEED to talk to one specific plane to turn or change their altitude but your transmissions keep getting blocked by other pilots. I have no gripe about the 'fan club' idea, it's the potential for causing harm to the controller that gets my attention. Like I said, after 19 years, you learn a thing or two about your employer.
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