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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2005, 06:18:48 PM »

I checked the archives about an hour ago:

15:30 Archive

23:49 AFR358 down to 5000

25:19 AFR358 down to 4000

26:05 AFR358 cleared ILS 24L

26:45 AFR358 reduce to 160 knts

27:18 AFR358 Minimum Speed

28:01 AFR358 Over to the Tower

29:08 Controller gives report of lighting to KLM691's 12 o'clock, 1 o'clock and 5-6 miles. That would be in the vicinity of AFR358 on final for 24L. As someone mentioned a passenger said they lost power before touchdown. I would say the lighting definately had to do with that and possibly the fire.

16:00 Archive

3:00 Announces that an aircraft off the end of 24L, cancels ACA1105's Approach clearance, climbs ACA1105 to 6000. ACA1156 has approach clearance cancelled and decides to divert to the alternative (London, Ontario)

4:10 KLM691 goes around, climbs to 4000 and starts diversion to SYR. KLM691 wants comfirmation that airport is closed, gets the confirmation.

5:00 KLM691 declares low fuel emergency to SYR, considers Hamilton. Has just enough fuel to SYR, 30 mins worth of fuel. Cleared direct Syracuse.
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2005, 06:18:50 PM »

Thanks. Yep, all good, airport is shut down ect. Passengers got out in the 90 seconds.
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2005, 06:57:36 PM »

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CYYZ Stream listeners: 369 of 553 total listeners
(67% listening to this stream)


Is that a record high per feed and or total listeners?
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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2005, 07:18:58 PM »

I did actually see 372 listeners on the feed at one point.
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2005, 07:45:33 PM »

Arrivals into YYZ are at pilots discretion, but there is no Fire/Ems available.
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2005, 09:45:51 PM »

I think a reporter from CP24 (David Onley?) had listened to the archive at 15:30 and 16:00 from CYYZ..   during the news segment covering this  

BTW.. way to go Luc!  Seems that everyone was jumping on your feed during this unusual event, although no one wants this to happen.

and also, can anyone tell me what is "Crash/Fire/Rescue, or CFR" Category 9?   What are the categories?

JL
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2005, 10:11:07 AM »

If you are out there publishing links, publish these instead:

http://dl.liveatc.net/CYYZ-Toronto-Aug-02-05-1530.mp3  
http://dl.liveatc.net/CYYZ-Toronto-Aug-02-05-1600.mp3  

I am also working on a BitTorrent link for download to help conserve bandwidth and spread the load around.

Thanks,
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2005, 10:31:10 AM »

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I am also working on a BitTorrent link for download to help conserve bandwidth and spread the load around.


This is certainly a great experience for you as a webmaster.  

Download speeds this morning were around 1.7kb/sec, which told me the site must be getting hammered.
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2005, 10:34:13 AM »

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I am also working on a BitTorrent link for download to help conserve bandwidth and spread the load around.


This is certainly a great experience for you as a webmaster.  

Download speeds this morning were around 1.7kb/sec, which told me the site must be getting hammered.


I have the downloads throttled on purpose.

I've run sites far larger than this.  smiley  But those were professional sites and I had a much larger budget and a real staff.  wink  

I've been doing this for a long time...actually, put one of the first commercial web sites on the air back in the day.

-dave
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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2005, 11:19:44 AM »

Dave

Excellent Job

Peter
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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2005, 11:26:37 AM »

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I have the downloads throttled on purpose.


That's quite the downshift!  wink   Reminded me of my dial-up days.  Thanks for the flashback.  Smiley Smiley Smiley

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I've run sites far larger than this.  smiley  But those were professional sites and I had a much larger budget and a real staff.  wink  

I've been doing this for a long time...actually, put one of the first commercial web sites on the air back in the day.


I am certainly impressed with your web prowess.  I have a hard enough time maintaining my family/aviation web site.
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Regards, Peter
ATC Feed:  Syracuse (KSYR), NY
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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2005, 12:17:12 PM »

Spread the word that this is now on BitTorrent:

http://dl.liveatc.net/Air-France-Crash-CYYZ.torrent

This should help spread the load around even more.

Thanks,
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P.S. If you don't know what BitTorrent is, please don't ask here.  Use Google or go to http://www.bittorrent.com
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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2005, 03:43:15 PM »

Someone in the piloting newsgroups claimed that there are reports of the Air France flight executing a missed approach during its first approach attempt and that the accident occurred during the landing from the second attempt.

Did anyone hear the Air France go missed after this supposed first attempt?

Somehow I doubt the validity of this report, but if it did happen, the proof should be in the archive.
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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2005, 11:17:44 AM »

My bone to pick is the weather and Pearson updating the ATIS for preferred runway usage.  2004 Z indcated a wind shift from 260 to 310 degrees or so from 11 knots and gusted to 33 knots.  My question is the NOTAm indicates 33 R is closed during peak hours.  Could aircraft not have used runway the other side of 33? And does 33 have an ILS?
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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2005, 06:32:14 PM »

Jonathan_tcu;

I was listening to the CYYZ ATIS around the time the accident occur.  The ATIS information calls for rapid changing wind direction and ATC will assign runway "on the fly".

And yes, both RWY 33L and 33R are ILS equipped..  And on the day of the accident, I think they are both operational. (Check http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=6003&adv_date=08022005  
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