Acronyms & Abbreviations

[Jason]

I am absolutely not saying that traffic calls are unimportant!  I was making the point that higher priorities exist.  If I have to choose between calling traffic between two aircraft that are legally separated and some other type of control instruction, I am going to issue my instructions first.  After I have ensured the safety and separation of all my aircraft, then I will start calling traffic.

I got paid "to provide for the safe, orderly and expeditious flow of aircraft..." in that order.  (I know you know that, I'm not trying to be contentious.  I'm just trying to lay out my thought processes.)  I was given a set of rules to follow which gave me the tools to do my job.  I was trained to use my judgement to apply those rules, and sometimes (often) I had to use my judgement to prioritze what needed to be done.  Some things are simply more important than others.

Thanks for the clarification, I understand where you're coming from now.  That makes absolute sense, hence why traffic advisories are usually given on a workload permitting basis.  Depends on the situation, but there certainly could be other higher priorities as you pointed out.

Thanks,

[tyketto]

I found what I was looking for, but it is not technically visual separation.

5-5-7. PASSING OR DIVERGING

You'll notice that there is no mention about flight levels in this paragraph, but it could only be applicable in flight levels because regular visual separation can be used below Class A.

Peace 

Got it now. It is mainly relative to vertical separation rather than lateral/horizontal separation, as that is still covered by 5-5-2.e, plus is used with passing/diverging aircraft.

Like Dave said, thanks, and very well done.

BL.

[davolijj]

Got it now. It is mainly relative to vertical separation rather than lateral/horizontal separation, as that is still covered by 5-5-2.e, plus is used with passing/diverging aircraft.

Like Dave said, thanks, and very well done.

BL.

Visual in the centers pretty much works the same way....vertical is provided until the aircraft see eachother then discontinued.  We have to use 5 miles so if two aircraft are converging who are not vertically separated, it would be pretty bold to issue traffic and hope they see eachother before lateral no longer exists....especially at such distances.  Longitudinal?  Well maybe for resolving an overtake, but I see it much more often with respect to discontinuing vertical.

[CntrllrATC]

Just a quick question....are you saying Enroute vertical separation is discontinued before the aircraft have reported passing eachother?

[davolijj]

Just a quick question....are you saying Enroute vertical separation is discontinued before the aircraft have reported passing eachother?

When we're using visual separation yes.

[CntrllrATC]

Sorry.....was thinking you were talking about Class A airspace....oops....lol