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tyketto
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« on: March 17, 2006, 04:27:40 PM »

Subject says it all! Smiley

Reason I'm asking is this.

It's less than 2 miles from me, so I'm heading out to see it. There's a huge TFR set up for it too, which will affect departures out of KSMF. As I'm closer to KMHR and NCT, I'm debating spending the money to get a scanner and set up that feed I keep wanting to do.

Question is, would everyone benefit from a quick airshow, and what happens with ATC comms when you're literally in the middle of a 5nm TFR from 0 - 15000ft MSL?

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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2006, 04:32:39 PM »

Yes, for 5 years now the 911th aibase at PIT has hosted a airshow. its in july and last year i had the ops freqs on the PIT ops feed. very interseting stuff
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2006, 04:50:20 PM »

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what happens with ATC comms when you're literally in the middle of a 5nm TFR from 0 - 15000ft MSL?


From my experience, one of the regular airport frequencies is used as show control. The AirBoss tells the acts when to take off and land, and during the acts that employ multiple aircraft, they will coordinate on that frequency. For example, "Smoke on"...."Roll".... "Smoke off".  The airport is usually closed for the duration of the "show", so there's little, if any, other radio traffic besides the show communications. It certainly adds to the show experience to be able to hear the communications while watching tha acts!

The interesting thing about the Wings Over Pittsburgh show that PIT mentions is that it takes place at Pittsburgh International. Regular commercial traffic schedules are adjusted to accomodate the airshow acts. Several time during the course of the show there may be an interval when the regular commercial traffic arrives and departs, on the other runways.
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2006, 08:35:15 PM »

I wen t to a blue angels airshow in Point Magu when i was on holiday in Los Angeles a few months ago, but unfortunately the clouds were too low and all i got to see was "Fat Albert" (C-130 Hercules) doing a rocket assisted takeoff which was worth going just to see that. WOuld have liked to see them though cry
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2006, 09:58:59 PM »

I shoot at least 4 or 5 airshows a year (TICO was last weekend Smiley ).  The Blues put on great show.  Gotta love Fat Albert.   Cool

Here's one of my favorite images I got a few years back.



It would have been a great shot if someone wasn't having gear issues....   rolleyes

A scanner is invaluable when shooting airshows BTW.  And it's great to have just to watch too.  They generally don't publish the discreet freqs they'll be using, so you need to scan for them.  Sometimes the tower controller will give out the airboss freq if you're lucky.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2006, 12:26:15 PM »

digger,

Actually the schedules for commercial traffic are not changed during the Wings Over Pittsburgh airshow.  The weekends usually have less traffic and we coordinate the acts which require more airspace to go during the lulls.  It doesn't always work that the acts are completed when traffic shows up, so we'll go into holds at CUTTA, GRACE, NESTO, & WISKE until the airspace is no longer hot.  That's generally within 5 miles of PIT up to 14,000 feet.  

We can still use 28 Right for arrivals and departures while the smaller aircraft are performing in the box on the south side of the airport.  Even under normal circumstances, we basically treat 28 Right as a separate "airport" from 28 Center, 28 Left, and 32.

When the big acts go out, like the Thunderbirds in the past, everything on the airport stops.  No aircraft are even allowed to taxi except the T-Birds.  We're pretty excited to have the Blue Angels this year  http://www.wingsoverpittsburgh.com/

It takes a lot of coordination between the airboss, tower, TRACON, and Cleveland Center, but we're very proud to host this airshow and still operate commercial arrivals and departures simultaneously.  I'm not positive, but I don't know of any other airports that are able to do it this way.  

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2006, 12:52:12 PM »

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Actually the schedules for commercial traffic are not changed during the Wings Over Pittsburgh airshow. The weekends usually have less traffic and we coordinate the acts which require more airspace to go during the lulls.


I stand corrected.  Smiley

I knew there had to be some sort of adjustment to accomodate the performances vs the regular traffic though... Oughta be even easier this year, shouldn't it?
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2006, 01:02:55 PM »

...I was gonna say, I can't really see them closing down the whole airport while that little "clown-helicopter" flies around backwards. cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2006, 01:23:17 PM »

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Oughta be even easier this year, shouldn't it?


The traffic numbers have been holding over the past few months.  Looks like the USAir effect has bottomed out and true competition is taking over.  The addition of Jet Blue yesterday is very welcome.  Southwest continues to expand.  

PIT set records for originating passengers last year.  The parking lots are full.  We just have to come to the realization that PIT isn't a hub anymore and people don't have to drive to Cleveland to get a fair price to fly to PHL and other USAir stranglehold cities.  

To answer your question, it should be the same as the last airshow, possibly a little more difficult as summer traffic grows.  We'll see.

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2006, 01:27:08 PM »

"Location: Oklahoma City, OK (for now)"

Hey JD, how's that non-radar junk?  Do you have paper airplanes flying through your head yet?  You guys have it easy, they beat that stuff into our heads for 4 months back in the dark ages.

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2006, 02:20:29 PM »

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You guys have it easy, they beat that stuff into our heads for 4 months back in the dark ages.
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Non-radar is evil....you should see the map we have to memorize...not fun.  We need to know every fix, every airway, every distance...everything.  It makes what I had to learn in school look easy...and we haven't even gotten to the separation standards yet. huh

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2006, 12:12:47 AM »

Hi tyketto,

If you are interested in airshows, I can tell you what ever you need to know about the Wings Over Houston Airshow which is held at Ellington Field (KEFD) in October. The 2005 show was excellent. It had a wonderful static aircraft display which included a C-5A Galaxy, a KC-10 Extender, a T-38 Talon (from 87FTS Laughlin AFB, TX), a F-117 Nighthawk (probably from Holloman AFB, NM), a F-16 Falcon (from the 147FW ANG based at EFD), and a F/A-18 Hornet. They also had a HUGE static warbird display. They flying demos were great too. They had the Canadian Armed Forces Snowbirds Flight Demonstration Team (they fly the CT-114), numerous aerobatic displays from single props, Tora Tora Tora (a Pearl Harbor re-enactment with pyrotechnics), and the BEST F/A-18F Super Hornet demo. They also (supposedly) had a A-10 Warthog demo and a B-1B fly-by. However, I cannot say if either of these two demos took place because I didn't go to the show on Sunday. Anyway, this year, for WOH 2006, the USAF Thunderbirds Flight Demostration Team based at Nellis AFB, Nevada will be performing, as they did two years ago at WOH 2004.

In reference to the USN Blue Angels, I absolutely love them. I try to learn everything about them that I can. I watched a 4 hour, 4 part series on the Blues on the Military channel, and I've read up a lot about them. I've also visited Pensacola, FL, the town where the Blues are based during the show season. During the Winter training season, the Blues are based out of NAS El Campo. In ref to Fat Albert, the JATO (Jet Assisted Take Off) preformance is awesome. The C-130's crew pulls negative G's while pulling up into a 45 degree climb. If you have any questions about the Blues, including when and where they will be putting on shows or any other question for that matter, just ask me, and I'll try to help you out.

In sum, whenever you get a chance to attend an airshow, jump at it!!

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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2006, 01:00:41 AM »

Hello tyketto, do you live in Sacramento?  I'll move to there by the end of this year, maybe we can meet up and do some plane spotting?

Shame I can make it, I'm sure its fun...!

EDITED:  By the way, is this airshow held yearly at KSMF?
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2006, 02:13:20 AM »

I worked ours at MSO a few years ago. We had about 50 planes and choppers, the Thunderbirds, the usual mix of fighters and tankers, a B52 bomber, and an air temperature of 104 degrees F mixed in with a lot of heavy physical activity. Lot's of fun, but man was I glad to get home and take a cold shower that night after it was all over.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2006, 10:38:20 AM »

This shot was taken from the tower cab during the 2004 Wings Over Pittsburgh airshow.  It's a great place to watch a show...except when they go vertical.  A convertible roof would be helpful then.  This F15 pilot buzzed us during one of the solo practice sessions.  Real close.  We had a chance to speak with him at one of the private socials and he felt that he got a little closer to the tower than he really wanted to.  Sorry, no pictures of that, but imagine a window full of afterburners.
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