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« on: December 25, 2009, 08:39:53 PM »

"WASHINGTON — A Northwest Airlines passenger from Nigeria, who said he was acting on al-Qaida's instructions, tried to blow up the plane Friday as it was landing in Detroit, law enforcement and national security officials said."

"There was nothing out of the ordinary until the flight was on final approach to Detroit, said Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory. That is when the pilot declared an emergency and landed without incident shortly thereafter, Cory said in an e-mail message. The plane landed at 11:51 a.m. EST."

From:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20091225/US.Airliner.Disturbance/

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http://www.comcast.net/video/AP-Sources-Passenger-Tried-to-Blow-Up-Airliner/1369422843/AP/newest/
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« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2009, 09:00:26 PM »

"A Northwest Airlines Airbus A330-300 in Delta colors, registration N820NW performing flight NW-253 from Amsterdam (Netherlands) to Detroit,MI (USA) with 278 passengers, was on approach to Detroit, when a Nigerian male passenger attempted to ignite a powdery substance attached to one of his legs. Passengers alerted by the smell and shine of fire stormed out of their seats and subdued the Nigerian. The crew declared emergency reporting a possible hijack attempt and continued for a safe landing at Detroit, the airplane rolled past the end of the runway (supposedly 04L) and stopped on the stop area, where passengers disembarked. The Nigerian was taken into custody and is reported to have received second degree burns to his leg."

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http://avherald.com/h?article=424c23fb&opt=0
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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2009, 11:07:07 PM »

Mayday might be on this archive if anyone wants to take a listen.
Claim is that the incident occurred just as the plane was beginning
descent.

11:21AM   43.67   -81.27   216°   Southwest   400   460   0.69   38,000   -420     Toronto Center
11:22AM   43.57   -81.37   200°   South   400   460   0.69   37,200   -900     Toronto Center
11:23AM   43.47   -81.42   221°   Southwest   410   472   0.71   36,200   -2,100     Toronto Center
11:24AM   43.38   -81.52   207°   Southwest   420   483   0.73   33,000   -3,120     Toronto Center
11:25AM   43.27   -81.60   216°   Southwest   430   495   0.74   30,000   -2,640     Toronto Center
11:26AM   43.18   -81.68   206°   Southwest   430   495   0.74   27,800   -2,280     Toronto Center
11:27AM   43.08   -81.75   221°   Southwest   410   472   0.71   25,500   -2,100     Toronto Center
11:28AM   43.00   -81.85   206°   Southwest   380   437   0.66   23,700   -1,260     Toronto Center
11:29AM   42.90   -81.92   211°   Southwest   370   426   0.64   23,000   -540     Toronto Center

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NWA253/history/20091225/0754Z/EHAM/KDTW/tracklog


archive - Toronto West Satellite
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/cykf/CYKF-YYZ-Dec-25-2009-1600Z.mp3

OR...I could be totally wasting your time.

I'm out of town and don't have access to my stores of sophisticated audio eavesdropping and editing software tools.

P.S. MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2009, 10:19:00 AM »

I couldn't hear anything related to this incident on the Toronto West archive clip.

I see from the av herald article that the incident occurred on approach when gear was being lowered. I assume the emergency call would be on DTW tower frequency. Unfortunately no feeds from DTW.

I am new here and I'm not a pilot nor a controller. I defer to those of you who are more experienced at this.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2009, 10:33:19 AM »

I have partial comms with NWA253 and Toronto Center from another feed...trying to see how much I have.
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2009, 10:38:05 AM »

Not sure which facility NWA253 declared an emergency with - from Toronto Center I can confirm a clean handoff to Cleveland Center 132.25 - don't have any Detroit TRACON or Tower coverage.  No ZOB Cleveland Center coverage on that frequency.
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2009, 05:34:19 PM »

From the first article:

"Flight 253 with 278 passengers and 11 crew members aboard was about 20 minutes from the airport when passengers heard popping noises, witnesses said"

More then likely would have been with Detroit Approach at that point would be my guess...

Update:

"US charges Nigerian with trying to blow up plane"

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20091226/US.Airliner.Attack/
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2009, 05:43:30 AM »

Normal departure from Amsterdam Schiphol on the 25th of december 2009.

25-12-2009 NWA253
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2009, 09:59:06 AM »

"WASHINGTON — U.S. government officials tell The Associated Press that the Nigerian man charged with trying to destroy a jetliner came to the attention of U.S. intelligence in November when his father went to the U.S. embassy in Abuja, Nigeria, to express his concerns about his son."

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http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20091226/US.Airliner.Attack.Intelligence/
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2009, 04:23:00 PM »

 angry...they tried it agian today...same flight as Christmas Day angry:

"WASHINGTON — A Nigerian passenger onboard the same Northwest Airlines route that was attacked on Christmas Day was taken into custody in Detroit on Sunday after locking himself in the bathroom for an hour and becoming verbally disruptive upon landing, officials said."

"Delta Air Lines spokeswoman Susan Elliott said crew members on Sunday requested that security remove the man from Flight 253 after he became disruptive. The remaining 255 passengers got off safely, she said."

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http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20091226/US.Airliner.Attack/
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2009, 04:35:07 PM »

Video from today at KDTW here:

http://www.comcast.net/video/Arrest-on-Another-Northwest-Flight-25/1370632513/AP/newest/

After the footage, click the next button, and it gives you the story with commentary.
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2009, 04:40:05 PM »

From CNN, story and vid:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/27/michigan.airplane.disruption/index.html

http://us.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2009/12/27/nr.starr.detroit.scare.cnn
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2009, 07:17:50 PM »

Liveatc.net Wall Of Fame - Jasper Schuringa



Dutchman who subdued Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab on Flight 253

"Chaos erupted as the flying Dutchman grabbed the fiery suspect and frantically searched him for explosives."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/12/27/2009-12-27_how_flying_dutchman_made_stop_he_was_getting_on_fire__i_just_jumped_over_the_sea.html
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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2009, 07:18:46 PM »

Same flight number new incident, nothing bad happened, just a man was sick: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/28/us/politics/w28talk.html?_r=1&ref=us
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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2009, 07:21:58 PM »

Father of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, Nigerian terror suspect in Flight 253 attack, warned U.S.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/12/26/2009-12-26_father_of_umar_farouk_abdul_mutallab_nigerian_terror_suspect_in_flight_253_attac.html


Sorry. If I had been aware of the complete media saturation regarding Jasper the Flying Dutchmen, I might not have been so eager to post his picture here.  We should always try to have fresh rather than day old donuts.
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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2009, 08:05:10 PM »

"Security reviews under way after airliner attack"

"WASHINGTON — Investigators piecing together a brazen attempt to bring down a trans-Atlantic airliner said Sunday the suspect tucked a small bag holding his deadly concoction on his body, using an explosive that would have been easily detected with the right airport equipment.

His success in smuggling and partially igniting the material on Friday's flight to Detroit prompted the Obama administration to promise a sweeping review of aviation security.

Adding to the airborne jitters, a second Nigerian man was detained Sunday from the same Northwest flight to Detroit after he locked himself in the plane's bathroom. Officials reported that he was belligerent but genuinely sick, and that, in an abundance of caution, the plane was taken to a remote location for screening before passengers were let off."


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http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20091226/US.Airliner.Attack/
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2009, 09:05:38 PM »

"Incident: Northwest A333 near Detroit on Dec 27th 2009, unruly passenger"

http://avherald.com/h?article=424da00f&opt=0
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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2009, 10:24:07 PM »

"TSA: 2 passengers detained after flight to Phoenix"

"PHOENIX — Two men thought to have been acting suspicious aboard a flight bound for Phoenix were detained and questioned by federal anti-terrorism authorities before they were released, the FBI said Sunday.

Transportation Security Administration officials said passengers aboard U.S. Airways Flight 192 from Orlando, Fla., on Saturday night reported that two men, described as Middle Eastern, were acting strangely and talking loudly to each other in a foreign language."


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http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20091228/US.Phoenix.Airport.Detainment/
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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2009, 12:42:08 AM »

"TSA: 2 passengers detained after flight to Phoenix"

"PHOENIX — Two men thought to have been acting suspicious aboard a flight bound for Phoenix were detained and questioned by federal anti-terrorism authorities before they were released, the FBI said Sunday.

Transportation Security Administration officials said passengers aboard U.S. Airways Flight 192 from Orlando, Fla., on Saturday night reported that two men, described as Middle Eastern, were acting strangely and talking loudly to each other in a foreign language."


From:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20091228/US.Phoenix.Airport.Detainment/

This is where fear and paranoia come in, and in no way should it be justified. How many times have we English-speaking people just shook our heads when we see two people in this situation speaking Spanish, Russian, or French to someone else? I just had this happen at my local Starbucks!

But two Middle Eastern people? everyone goes crazy, shoots first, then asks questions later. I understand where safety comes in, but the moment we start to get scared because of two people and a foreign language is the moment we stop being a country, and start to become victims of terror, which the terrorists want us to be.

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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2009, 06:30:35 AM »

I understand where safety comes in, but the moment we start to get scared because of two people and a foreign language is the moment we stop being a country, and start to become victims of terror, which the terrorists want us to be.

BL.

You can hardly call yourself a 'victim of terror' if you are proactive; a term that is an anathema in the current administration.


Going Dutch  [Mark Steyn]

".... filmmakers from the Netherlands may be a statistically insignificant demographic but they have good reason to be alert to types like Mr Abdulmutallab.

The last time a Dutch filmmaker * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)  encountered a jihadist face to face he said "Can't we talk?" and was rewarded with eight bullets, near decapitation and a crowing note from his murderer skewered by knife through his chest. By contrast, Mijnheer Schuringa jumped on the guy, got him in a choke hold, and dragged him away. That makes more sense - even if it is, under Secretary Napolitano's new rules, now illegal.

Perhaps she can have him prosecuted. After all, by her perverse standards, that would truly demonstrate the system "worked"."


http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTE3ZTliNTNhZGY3MjIzMTcxMzBlNDJhNDc3Nzg2MDI=

But if you think the right wing has the answer, think again.

"So once again we see the foolishness of complaceniks who drone the fatuous cliches about how "in this struggle, scholarships will be far more important than smart bombs" - John McCain ."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzQxZWJhNjhmZTVmNmU2MDMyNmYzNzdlYmE3ZDQ4OTY=



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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2009, 10:15:14 AM »


This is where fear and paranoia come in, and in no way should it be justified. How many times have we English-speaking people just shook our heads when we see two people in this situation speaking Spanish, Russian, or French to someone else? I just had this happen at my local Starbucks!


100% agreed. It should not be justified. It's racial profiling. But we live in a post 9/11 world.
I also think with the attempted attack on Christmas Day, people were on high alert, and were quick to, as you said, shoot first, as questions later.
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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2009, 01:10:05 PM »

I understand where safety comes in, but the moment we start to get scared because of two people and a foreign language is the moment we stop being a country, and start to become victims of terror, which the terrorists want us to be.

BL.

You can hardly call yourself a 'victim of terror' if you are proactive; a term that is an anathema in the current administration.

Same thing could be said of the previous administration. They had information on the lead guy, and did nothing on it. Only after 9/11 occurred were there any measures taken. Reactive, and the victim there. 9 months after 9/11, I took my scanner onboard (carryon in my jacket pocket) a short LAS-LAX flight, and when I turned it off and put my headphones away, the couple next to me looked at me as if I were a terrorist. Yet I'm more native to this country than they and their ancestors were. Their look was one of fear, as if they were the victims of terror, which we all were, looking for safety, instead of their freedoms. As Ben Franklin said:

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Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.

That was what happened after 9/11, when the previous administration was still in a victim state of mind.

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Going Dutch  [Mark Steyn]

".... filmmakers from the Netherlands may be a statistically insignificant demographic but they have good reason to be alert to types like Mr Abdulmutallab.

The last time a Dutch filmmaker * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)  encountered a jihadist face to face he said "Can't we talk?" and was rewarded with eight bullets, near decapitation and a crowing note from his murderer skewered by knife through his chest. By contrast, Mijnheer Schuringa jumped on the guy, got him in a choke hold, and dragged him away. That makes more sense - even if it is, under Secretary Napolitano's new rules, now illegal.

Perhaps she can have him prosecuted. After all, by her perverse standards, that would truly demonstrate the system "worked"."


http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTE3ZTliNTNhZGY3MjIzMTcxMzBlNDJhNDc3Nzg2MDI=

But if you think the right wing has the answer, think again.

"So once again we see the foolishness of complaceniks who drone the fatuous cliches about how "in this struggle, scholarships will be far more important than smart bombs" - John McCain ."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzQxZWJhNjhmZTVmNmU2MDMyNmYzNzdlYmE3ZDQ4OTY=

Personally, I believe the source of the issue lies with the Dutch. He came in to EHAM from DNMM on KLM588. He had a valid US passport, was recently on a watch list, but not a no-fly list, as far as the US is concerned. But from my experiences flying overseas, if you're in transit in another country, you don't pass through security again. Obviously, Lagos' security is the worst (as we know from all the signs we see in the airports), but for his destination, they should have subjected the passengers to a more thorough screening, not only with respect to TSA regs, but because of the pisspoor security in Nigeria.

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2009, 02:45:28 PM »

Personally, I believe the source of the issue lies with the Dutch.

"...sewn into the student's underwear so they would be near his testicles."

http://gawker.com/5434629/would+be-terrorist-only-succeeds-in-burning-balls-making-air-travel-exponentially-worse-

The man had the bomb strapped around his testicles.

Are the Dutch derelict in their duties for not searching the man's testicles?
What airport security detail in the world has the authority to frisk someone's testicles?
Under the Third Geneva Convention, prisoners of war are protected from getting their balls squeezed yet apparently air passengers do not have this protection.

"Hello Mr. Smith. Welcome aboard Flight 253. Please bend over whilst I squeeze your balls."


I can see, in the not too distant future,  there will be an attempt to hike the average airline ticket to cover the costs of a full body scan. For those who wish to forgo this hike, a security officer with a rubber glove will have to do evil and I shall be busy marketing a new brand of underwear with built-in low emission x-ray called 'Cache 22', for the fashionable frequent fliers.




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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2009, 07:47:19 PM »

The Latest:

"HONOLULU — President Barack Obama on Monday vowed to use "every element of our national power" to keep Americans safe and said the failed Christmas Day plot to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner was "a serious reminder" of the need to continually adapt security measures against changing terrorist threats."

"Meanwhile, al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula claimed responsibility for the thwarted attack as retaliation for a U.S. operation against the group in Yemen. Yemeni forces, helped by U.S. intelligence, carried out two airstrikes against al-Qaida operatives this month in the lawless country that is fast becoming a key front in the war on terror. The second one was a day before 23-year-old Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab attempted to bring down a Northwest Airlines flight as it prepared to land in Detroit."


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http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20091226/US.Airliner.Attack/
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2009, 06:31:19 AM »

"Obama wants answers after botched terror attack"

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20091229/US.Airliner.Attack.Obama/
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