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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2007, 06:25:57 PM »

hey tyketto. how did you r buddy get hired, job fair?? newspaper ad??? im qualified to be hired off the street, but dont know how to go about it. FAA.gov only has jobs in Mass, any tips would be appreciated.
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2007, 06:38:35 PM »

hey tyketto. how did you r buddy get hired, job fair?? newspaper ad??? im qualified to be hired off the street, but dont know how to go about it. FAA.gov only has jobs in Mass, any tips would be appreciated.
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I'm not sure on how he did it, but in a month's time he had temporarily relocated from California to OKC for training at the facility there. From that, he's going straight to ZLA. I found out quite by accident (I happened to be visiting my father in OKC at the time). I'll give him a shout and see how he did it.

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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2007, 06:41:39 PM »

thanks buddy, I appreciate it. I start CTI in may and if i can save some money and time that would be sweet.
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2007, 10:44:48 PM »

Sierra Yankee, I tried sending you a private message today but i'm not sure if it worked because there's no record of it anywhere... if you got it let me know... got some more questions for you regarding canadian side of the house
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2007, 11:48:25 PM »

New here, I am a controller at Yuma just down te road from you guys.

I conduct my flight training at Yuma, out of Diamond Air! cool
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2007, 11:52:12 PM »

scrapper, a little curious why you wont be able to continue controlling in the Navy. Do you guys have a set limit on rank or years as a controller? Air force even our chief controllers (SNCOs) can go up and get time whenever they feel like it.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2007, 12:58:07 AM »

In canada, navy controllers are not licensed controllers... they learn tactical control and how to keep aircraft safe, and the officers who specialize in this sub field of maritime operations do it for two years or so, advancing their NATO grade qualification, but eventually have to move on to being the Operations Room Officer or Combat Officer, etc. up on the way to command, or get posted to a shore position somewhere and eventually end up lapsing from lack of controlling while not at sea... unfortunately, in the navy air control is not a trade in itself but a specialty that some people choose... our Air force controllers are actual licensed controllers and do so as a career (of course they eventually have non controlling staff positions etc. as well, but are usually given the opportunity to stay current for when they rotate back into an operational position with a wing, etc.)
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2007, 10:16:59 AM »

Guess I will clarify a little.  My original point was not intended to be insulting to off the street hires, I am sure many have and will continue to make it fine controllers.
I feel that while I have never worked the kind of traffic at C90, n90, etc, I have worked traffic before. (2 TRACON ratings, 1 CTO) My beef is not with how people get hired, more power to those who do, It is with the FAA itself.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2007, 11:50:54 PM »

Agreed. Well here is how the air force works as far as i made thus far. You sign up and get ATC as a guaranteed job (they did it for me and a few others i know). You go to boot camp then to Keesler AFB, MS. At Keesler everyone goes through the same fundamentals course and takes their CTO test. After that you either go RAPCON or TWR, the odds are about fifty fifty and you have no say in which one you get. Tower uses the ADACEL SIM not sure what the radar portion uses but they just started using STARS equipment when i graduated. When you graduate you get your pink card (FAA Form 7220-1) and orders to a base. The overall washout rate for Keesler is probably around 35% and take roughly 4-6 months to complete. On a side note the top grad in his/her class gets to choose their base. I got stationed at Sheppard AFB in TX. Tower here is split into the three normal positions, flight data, ground control, and local control (pilots know it as tower) Each position is broken down into 4 blocks each block being 18 days and requiring you pass a practical and written test at the end of each block. After block four you go up for your Cert. in position and if all goes well you get rated in that position. The order of position and length of training varies from base to base. On base is about about the same wash out rate as Keesler. After a certain amount of time on base some controllers get a chance to go to the opposite facility and get dual rated. Also, all of our Sups are controllers with at least four years experience on average. Im hoping to get dual rated and if things turn out alright on the FAA side transfer over to that, if not i could stay military or go DoD or contract i guess. One more catch, to sign up for ATC now requires a six year enlistment. Loving it now though, its pretty busy here for a military base, we have NATO pilots training in T-37and T-38s as well as some civilian traffic coming to Wichita falls Muni. who land on one of our runways (we have 15R/15C/15L and 17 and their opposites of course)
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2007, 06:27:41 PM »

In case anyone's interested, there is a bid out for Indy center controllers, hiring off the street.
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2007, 06:15:57 AM »

Shep, we need you.  Have faith and give it a shot.  Things will turn around.  My youngest son is now working ATC at Sheppard AFB.  It CAN"T stay like this forever.  Bad things are going to happen, it's a matter of 'when' not 'if'.

Hi LH, I'm also a DoD controller at Camp Pen with some prior contract tower and class Bravo experience who is, Lord willing, hoping to come and work with you either in the tower or there at the TRACON, am currently in contact with the folks in OKC who say I am tentatively selected for P50, I was actaully hoping to work in the tower, but it sounds like the real need is there in the tracon...  I just wanted to say how much I appreciated your insight with this post, it's just like what we've been hearing from others. 

Hopefully it will get better, but as one of my DI's said, and seems like you're saying...? "it's going to get worse before it gets better"

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