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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2010, 01:02:23 PM »

Agree with everyone else here, it's not a big deal at all.  Just another case of making something out of nothing, unfortunately.  I hope no serious disciplinary actions are taken against the controller.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2010, 01:18:05 PM »

 hey dave,  why wasnt live atc  initially credited for the recording ?            edman and supadog,    definatly agree w/you.    see    www.1010wins.com   ..   most comments are positive.   i hope all involved come away from this  ok.     no harm here   a slow time in the tower   but probably not a wise decision by dad.   the press has ran amok w/this as usual.     BUT,  id not like to see this on a regular basis.  its cool to bring your kid to  " TAKE YOUR CHILD TO WORK DAY"       good  luck and wishes to those involved     we NEED quality/veteran controllers ...
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2010, 01:45:01 PM »

Seems pretty harmless to me...

"The few quick exchanges between the elementary-school-aged child and jets waiting to take off from JFK became public after they were recorded and posted on the Internet. On the recordings, the child appears to be repeating simple instructions given by his father."

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http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20100303/US.Child.Air.Traffic/
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2010, 02:10:26 PM »

hey dave,  why wasnt live atc  initially credited for the recording ?            edman and supadog,    definatly agree w/you.    see    www.1010wins.com   ..   most comments are positive.   i hope all involved come away from this  ok.   

I came here to ask if Dave or LiveATC members can help these controllers in any way.  The media is crediting Dave as the person who initially reported these recordings.  I'm curious to ask if that is true, and if so was it reported as an issue, or was it just interesting and cool? 

I'd like to know if there is anyway to help these employees, as I'm thinking they will lose their jobs by the time the media gets done with them.  Any FAA contacts or suggestions from the forum?

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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2010, 02:43:21 PM »

hey dave,  why wasnt live atc  initially credited for the recording ?            edman and supadog,    definatly agree w/you.    see    www.1010wins.com   ..   most comments are positive.   i hope all involved come away from this  ok.     no harm here   a slow time in the tower   but probably not a wise decision by dad.   the press has ran amok w/this as usual.     BUT,  id not like to see this on a regular basis.  its cool to bring your kid to  " TAKE YOUR CHILD TO WORK DAY"       good  luck and wishes to those involved     we NEED quality/veteran controllers ...

Dave was credited in the comcast.net article.
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2010, 03:21:49 PM »

thanks  supadog ,  i wasnt aware of that..         troy,  god bless,  id be one of the first to support them if i knew the regime.  any one out there have any suggestions? 
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2010, 03:51:08 PM »

I feel so bad for the kid and his father (I have a feeling whom it might be), it was all so innocently done, and he did such a great job, and it didn't sound like the pilots had a problem with it!!!
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2010, 04:24:43 PM »

Was this the same controller who was in that legendary recording known as "Bad Day at JFK Ground"?

I'm very new to aviation communications but that guy is very good at what he does, even if he does inject a little humor into his job.
The NBC coverage of this was ridiculous, they managed to equate the JFK controller with an Aeroflot pilot who let his kids fly and subsequently crash an airliner. They played B-roll of the wreckage from that crash when discussing the JFK "incident." The mind reels from the lack of ethics.
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2010, 05:12:30 PM »

This sucks. That guy is my favorite controller - a total pro and fun to listen to, particularly when he's under pressure. Unfortunately, this whole story has become fodder for the 24-hour news cycle since there's literally no other news happening in the world rolleyes

When I was young my parents took me to their workplaces (both are scientists in medicine).  You _could_ consider those labs a pretty dangerous place with the variety of chemicals and even radioactive material that was around, so I guess that would make my folks wildly irresponsible in the eyes of the world.  Too bad, since those trips got me interested in science more than any textbook or classroom could.

Of course the FAA has to investigate - they can't immediately issue a statement that says it's "not an issue", but give the guy some slack - the kid isn't vectoring the planes on final approach. Plus, the kid is easier to understand than some of the pilots!

God forbid a father takes an interest in inspiring his kids.....
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2010, 05:33:54 PM »

I think this is the same controller that talked Jet Blue 654 back into Kennedy shortly after takeoff, even after loss of voice radio comm. If any of the news media are poking around these forums, it might be worth noting that this guy happens to be _really_ good at what he does. It would be a shame if the hysteria around this incident took him away from the tower...

http://www.liveatc.net/forums/atcaviation-audio-clips/jbu654-erj-190-aug-31st-2009-smoke-in-cabin-followed-by-loss-comm/
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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2010, 05:49:01 PM »

yeah the uk evening news also picked up on it shame if this guy lost his job over this ,just a great day out for a wee kid no harm came to anyone what ever happend to freedom of speech !
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2010, 06:00:45 PM »

FAA investigating a second incident the next day involving the same controller but a different child. Two transmissions were made.
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2010, 06:08:07 PM »

The news report I heard about this said it occurred on February 17th, but didn't say what time. Does anyone have the LiveATC.net link for this transmission? I'd like to listen to the whole thing, in context.
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2010, 08:15:30 PM »

Was this the same controller who was in that legendary recording known as "Bad Day at JFK Ground"?

I'm very new to aviation communications but that guy is very good at what he does, even if he does inject a little humor into his job.
The NBC coverage of this was ridiculous, they managed to equate the JFK controller with an Aeroflot pilot who let his kids fly and subsequently crash an airliner. They played B-roll of the wreckage from that crash when discussing the JFK "incident." The mind reels from the lack of ethics.

Yes and they even messed the facts of that story up what they did not tell you about that Aeroflot flight was their was a major flaw with the autopilot that made it disconnect when the control column was pushed or moved NOONE even the mfg knew about that flaw and because of that incident a major flaw was fixed...this was a non issue i worry more about student drivers especially the student semi drivers than this..this is why I hate the media always take something small and blow it up  poor kids now they get to blame them selves for getting daddy fired think they will want to be controllers now?..thanks media and stupid uninformed public. posting this as if they were giving flight instructions or vital instructions we should swamp the FAA and help this controller out shame on you media.
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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2010, 08:16:16 PM »

It is great that everyone has some sympathy for both Father and child. But the Father knew the rules and he violated them. This wasn't on the midshift, this was done during a busy period of traffic. I am a controller and we all know that you do not let someone broadcast on the air. Have I seen it done? Yes I have. But it becomes a problem when you get caught. The supervisor should be suspended also since he/she let it happen.
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