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« on: January 19, 2006, 06:04:04 AM »

congrates on the egll feed sound quility is googdd.  do all flight's going in to egll uses this freq.  also maybe you could tell me when the planess lv egll how  long does it take to the nat's
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2006, 08:10:25 AM »

They better take it down quick. It's totally illegal to transmit ATC from the UK
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2006, 09:35:17 AM »

Edited so I don't get arrested next time I'm in the UK rolleyes
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2006, 09:35:30 AM »

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They better take it down quick. It's totally illegal to transmit ATC from the UK


The server that is decoding and distributing the audio *is not in the UK* though.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2006, 09:47:26 AM »

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They better take it down quick. It's totally illegal to transmit ATC from the UK


The server that is decoding and distributing the audio *is not in the UK* though.


Does that mean it is okay and is legal then?
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2006, 09:58:39 AM »

Sure, because it's "truly" broadcasting out of the US.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2006, 10:08:25 AM »

Unfortunately this feed will need to come down soon.  We were notified by the Office of Communications (Ofcom), which is the regulator for the United Kingdom telecommunications and wireless communications services, that this is indeed an illegal activity in the U.K.

While LiveATC bears no legal responsibility for complying with the laws of other countries, we in no way wish to condone the breaking of laws by anyone in our wonderful community.   I will be informing the feeders of the U.K. feeds today of the request from Ofcom.

For those interested, this is the official stance and a direct quote from the U.K. representative:

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"I realise that this is seen as a harmless hobby by enthusiasts but the fact remains that sending aeronautical messages, for example, over the internet is an offence under section 5(b)(ii) of the UK Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949 which states that:                                                        
                                                                           
"any person who - except in the course of legal proceedings or for the purpose of any report thereof, discloses any information as to the contents sender or addressee of any such message, being information which would not have come to his knowledge but for the use of wireless telegraphy apparatus by him or by another person".                                              
                                                                           
So in other words, if a person sends radio messages over the internet which he is not authorised to receive, he committs an offence by disclosing those messages.                                                                  
                                                                           
I hope this clarifies the position."

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So there you have it.  I suspect strongly that in 1949 the forefathers in the U.K. were thinking of war-time and perhaps police or other sensitive communications when they wrote this law.  The fact that the law exists and has been extended, by interpretation, to air traffic control communications is, well, downright silly.  But the law is the law.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2006, 10:57:43 AM »

Thought it would happen. It's even illegal to just listen to ATC for yourself as a hobby in the UK
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2006, 11:09:31 AM »

And to those of you here who I suspect reported this immediately to the government, shame on you.

This is a hobby that many around the world enjoy, and there is no harm in any of it.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people out there love to ruin a good thing.

The spirit of this law was clearly not aimed at this type of communication.

Sadly, there will always be pedants among us with nothing better to do.

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2006, 12:01:55 PM »

What a shame!  I was enjoying listening to this feed last night.  Let's hope that the law might one day be changed to recognize modern day life.  50+ year old laws governing technology are practically useless in this day and age.
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2006, 01:02:26 PM »

One thing I don't like about Europe... it is always soooo conservative... far from the flexibility USA have... let's follow the law for the sake of following it... and so on  Sad
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2006, 01:05:02 PM »

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And to those of you here who I suspect reported this immediately to the government, shame on you.

This is a hobby that many around the world enjoy, and there is no harm in any of it.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people out there love to ruin a good thing.

The spirit of this law was clearly not aimed at this type of communication.

Sadly, there will always be pedants among us with nothing better to do.

Dave


I can assure you it wasn't me. I live in Scotland and have always wanted to listen to ATC in the UK.

Don't think they will change it any time soon either
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2006, 01:25:50 PM »

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Don't think they will change it any time soon either


Is this from intimate knowledge of the subject?  

We must be on the Internet, where everyone is a critic and everyone is an expert.

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2006, 03:55:02 PM »

It is not illegal to just listen to ATC in the UK as long as the information is not passed onto anyone else so rebroadcasting is in that category and is therefore illegal (sadly) as th enew feed is very good quality. Hopefully this law will be repealed although I can't see it happening.  Sad
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2006, 06:29:22 PM »

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It is not illegal to just listen to ATC in the UK

Sadly, you are mistaken. In the UK it is illegal to even listen to something which isn't intended for you. If you have permission to listen, or if you are, say, at an air show where the frequency is published, then that is legal. If you don't do anything with the information you learn from listening, then you are unlikely to be prosecuted.

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The server that is decoding and distributing the audio *is not in the UK* though.

But assuming the radio receiver is in the UK, that is retransmitting onwards to the server. So that is where the illegality is.

I hope that's clarified these points... and I'm not at all in support of this legislation.
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