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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2006, 03:14:11 PM »

Umop,

Im 16.

Ive looked into becoming a pilot also, but have the same feeling for that career as I now do about ATC. It seems as If all of aviation is on a downhill slope right now. It is an industry I want to be involved with, but If the current  trend continues I will do something else.
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2006, 03:18:16 PM »

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Sorry for the double post, but what would those steps be?


I going to defer to JD's experience, as he is a real live controller and I was a 1988 wash-out of sorts.  Smiley

While I am confident that there are steps that you would need to complete, I couldn't speak to the details as they are in 2006.
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2006, 04:10:22 PM »

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As far as discouragement or not--It appears to me that, from here forward, if somebody wants a career in air traffic control, it'll be because they love the job. That's an acceptable reason--actually a damn good one. But, it's not going to be a job for somebody who hates it and is only in it for the money.


I use to think the same thing. That it's not about the money and all. But we all know jobs are about the money. It was a double whammy for me. It was good money and it was something I wanted to do. Before I wanted to be an ATCS, I wanted to get my ATP and move up to a major. After meeting an ATP (who Im now really good friends with). He told me to stay away from it and this was from a man who was furloughed from US Airways Mainline and was recalled to fly E170's for Mid Atlantic. Now with all the stuff going on with Mid Atlantic, he decided to leave and is flying for a much smaller company now. The only good job security for ATPs out there is with Fractionals/ Corporate.  

If this FAA contract goes through, I'm done. I know alot of guys are just dropping out of CTI altogether or atleast changing majors/minors if this contract goes through. For the most part, alot of these facilites are in very high cost of living areas. It's hard to support yourself as a Dev with the current pay. If your looking to start a family fresh outta OKC, forget it. I can't imagine what it will be like with the new pay. My buddy at ZNY makes 3800 a month, he's been out of OKC since August. He's checked out on his A sides and now in D school. He told me he just barely squeaks out the bills at his residence in LI.

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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2006, 05:21:30 PM »

I'm no journeyman but allow me to give my 2 cents.  I'll agree that the current climate in the FAA is not great.  Employee morale is at an all-time low and the contract negotiations weigh highly on everyone's mind.  But...

If you love aviation and Air traffic control, do whatever it takes and become an air traffic controller.  I would do this job for $10 an hour if that's what it paid.  I love it that much.  I cannot tell you how many professional controllers I hear every day say, "this is the greatest job in the world."

Yes, the industry as a whole is at a low-point right now but like anything else it will bounce back (especially with the certification of so many new microjets - but that's another thread).  Tell me what industry has a rock-solid future which never waivers and I'll tell you why it is not as great as this one.
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2006, 05:22:10 PM »

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If this FAA contract goes through, I'm done.


The whole thing kinda cuts both ways as far as a young person who's considering a career.

It should be interesting to see how many retirements happen. It's been well publicized that there's a lot of controllers getting close to retirement age anyway. Those who have enough time in, but would have worked for a few years more will be particularly tempted to hang up their headsets. The staffing issue could turn critical a lot sooner than has been talked about--a matter of months rather than years.

If there's a mass exodus of the older controllers there will be openings sooner for new people. Those who may have had to wait could get hired a lot earlier. Yes, the money won't be as good, but, as I said, for someone who just loves the job for its own sake, the time may be right.

On the other hand, a lot of otherwise qualified and motivated people, who'd have made good controllers, will seek better economic opportunities in other fields.
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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2006, 05:31:57 PM »

JD, you posted that while I was typing my post. That's excatly the attitude I'm talking about. (And maybe what the FAA is counting on. Trouble is, and what I think Ed is talking about, it could seem a little less great when baby needs a new pair of shoes.)

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By the way, my paycheck comes from the United States government....I'm pretty sure that's never going out of business.


Maybe not, but I wouldn't bet against the whole darn government someday being contracted out to the lowest bidder...        rolleyes
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2006, 06:54:20 PM »

I also considered ATC as a career.  The problem for me is that I am 29 and live in Mechanicsburg, PA which isn't near any of the ATC schools.  I am married and not willing to relocate to attend school.  I wish I had explored this career option much earlier because I sincerely believe that I would enjoy it.  If the schools were closer I would consider jumping in at the last minute, but without that option I can't even consider it.
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2006, 07:09:48 PM »

How smart do you have to be to pass the AT-SAT? Im in level two classes, except for math. My grades are all b's except for math heh, i dont do well with imaginary numbers and things that you'll never use in life.
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2006, 07:19:40 PM »

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How smart do you have to be to pass the AT-SAT?


That depends on your definition of "pass."  If you take it in a competitive setting like a job-fair or something, my understanding is they won't even look at you unless you score 95% or better.  If you take it as part of a CTI program, your placement will be depend on how well you do relative to the others in your service area.

I took it recently for resarch purposes and I thought it was pretty easy.  People who are good at typing or playing video games should have a distinct advantage.

I'm sure you've seen this but here is an overview of it.
http://www.atccti.com/document/atsat.doc
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2006, 07:28:59 PM »

I am alright at typing, and I hate video games.
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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2006, 08:36:22 PM »

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I am alright at typing, and I hate video games.


Hmmm... maybe you should consider a career as a forest ranger instead.  Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2006, 09:18:20 PM »

angry  shocked  cheesy OUCH!...haha...Well, let me elabarate... I hate the shooting games...I always die...I like the racing games..and i used to love playing flight simulator 98  Cool <--Yeah you know I'm cool
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2006, 10:47:54 PM »

Hey now......stop the press!!!  I just heard FAA Administrator Marion Blakey say on CSPAN that the only requirement to work as a controller is a high school diploma and the ability to pass the test.

Nevermind the fact that the FAA's primary method for hiring controllers is the collegiate training initiative which specifically requires a college degree.  And nevermind the littany of psychological, medical, credit, employment, and criminal background checks that are also required. huh
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2006, 10:51:48 PM »

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Hey now......stop the press!!!  I just heard FAA Administrator Marion Blakey say on CSPAN that the only requirement to work as a controller is a high school diploma and the ability to pass the test.

I'm watching too. When I heard her say that, I about spit my Dr Pepper all over the place.
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2006, 10:53:02 PM »

Marion Blakey is a joke. She just flat out lies to get what she wants. What a disgrace...
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