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SweedChef
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« on: July 16, 2008, 07:25:07 AM »

Thanks for whoever is feeding the IAD feed, both Tower and Approch so far sound 5x5 for controllers and 4x5 at worst for most aircraft. 

I'm from NS, Canada but my sister is in Leesburg, VA. I would sit on her deck with the scanner and watch planes for hours, as long as they were landing on the 19s.

I was going to look into maybe setting her place up for a feed. Saves me the trouble Smiley

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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 06:54:09 PM »

You are welcome.  The feed is mine.  It seems like it has been a popular feed since it came up earlier this week. 

I am about 10 miles south of IAD.  The scanner is a RS Pro-2052 and the antenna is a custom-made J Pole up 45'.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 08:11:55 PM »

Nice feed Terry. Which App freq's do you have programmed. Seems like it's 120.45/124.65/118.675. Request if possible too add dep. freq's 126.65 and 125.05 to the mix. My request for the ultimate feed would be APP-126.1/120.45/124.65/118.675 AND 125.8 w/DEP-126.65 and 125.05. Give the whole picture in my opinion.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 09:45:29 PM »

Probably too many frequencies...it's a bit busy as it is now.  But it's Terry's call.

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 11:17:11 PM »

Right now I have the following programmed:

120.1/128.425  - Dulles Tower
124.65/120.45/126.1  - Class B Approach/Departure

I am willing to add more but don't want to degrade the coverage as it stands now.   I agree that adding the requested approach and departure frequencies definitely will provide a greater radius of coverage and more complete picture of the traffic.  I can try it for a while and see what the consensus is. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2008, 12:09:51 AM »

Terry,

What's the main approach and departure freq's around IAD? I think adding those plus the twr freq would be awesome.

I heard on Twr freq, that IAD as 3 N-S runways, I was there in Sept, and they just had two rwys working at the time when did the third one come online?

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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2008, 07:45:13 AM »

My opinion: it is perfect the way it is. The only Freq seems to be missing is the final vector which is not really interesting on a one stream feed. Dave is right....would be too cluttered. There's a nice mix as it is between IAD approach, Tower and VFR traffic crossing Bravo space going to airports like Frederick and Leesberg Exec.

I got playing around with Google Earth last night and plotted the final vectors of the 19s in relation to my sister's place. ( I was thankfully wrong, she's in Ashburn) As you can see, I can't wait to go visit. I'll spend my afternoons on the deck with a beer and a scanner (they land on the 1s in the mornings). The highlight of the afternoon is the Virgin Atlantic and the Shamrock that land around 2:30.

Great feed Terry, I like it the way it is.

Jamie
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2008, 09:02:17 AM »

All I am saying is that there are many aspects of a feed being placed into the system. There are some of us contrary to the belief of others that would also like to listen to both APP/DEP as well as tower. It seems these days there is a push to just have tower listed as a major airport feed. We did not have a problem earlier in the beginning days of Liveatc to list all aspects. As this forum is a a free speech forum being that we live in America I am speaking my opinions here. I dont know about others but this listener is willing to put up with clutter and listen to all of these. I really think that there are a certain few here that have too much of a controlling issue to limit what is put into an upcoming feed. If there is a consensus of what listeners want to listen to then so be it and it should not be decided by a few members in an hierarchy. We should take polls to see what listeners want and not a socialistic system.
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2008, 09:22:11 AM »

The problem with clutter on one feed: You don't get to listen to everything. I like your theory, but it doesn't work when you got one stream broadcasting 10 different frequencies.

In a perfect "LiveATC" world, Tower would wait for APP to finish his command before broadcasting his. In any busy airspace, you've got 5/10 frequencies broadcasting at the same time.

As LIVE ATC grows, maybe someone else will set-up a feed with different frequencies. Like everything, it will take time. (I'll be in Washington next year....may set one up myself.)
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2008, 04:06:39 PM »

"I heard on Twr freq, that IAD as 3 N-S runways, I was there in Sept, and they just had two rwys working at the time when did the third one come online?"

The 3rd N/S runway (19R/1L) is still under construction and scheduled to open in the fall.  They renumbered the old 19R/1L to 19C/1C early to avoid confusion, as aircraft were lining up on the under construction runway.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2008, 07:49:20 PM »

If there is a consensus of what listeners want to listen to then so be it and it should not be decided by a few members in an hierarchy. We should take polls to see what listeners want and not a socialistic system.

As you really know, the bottom line is that a volunteer feeder will do whatever s/he wants to do.  Sometimes feeders will ask for opinions, but based on what I have seen here most times not.   It's not like someone shows up at the middle of the night and leaves a threat on the feeders' doorsteps to "encourage" them to side with the opinions of the conspiracy. When the feeder asks for opinions, both sides come out - those who prefer less and those who prefer more.  I am not sure where you are getting that a "certain few" are controlling the many feed sites, as from my vantage point it just ain't that way. 

My vote is also for less frequencies on a feed, but I hope that doesn't make me part of this vast, less-frequency, socialistic conspiracy.  The reason I prefer less is simple:  If there is an interesting event, say an emergency or a bad piloting action, there is a much better chance that the feed site will catch the majority of the event.  Too many frequencies being scanned and the odds are low that listeners will ever hear more than one exchange.  Listening to a super-crammed feed hearing nothing but heading and altitude assignments without something unique gets really boring really fast, at least for me.

In my opinion a better option for those who prefer more frequencies is to donate to the cause and help to create a super feed, or one that offers many frequencies spread out over multiple feeds.  Then those who prefer more can have multiple feed streams running at once to get that big picture of the airspace.  And if there is an event of some type, it can be woven into a single audio clip that can then be uploaded here.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2008, 08:02:35 PM »

Well so called events also happen in the aviation community especially on APP,DEP,and towers at times . So the so called emergency event can happen not only on tower. I dont think that having 5-7 freq's is a crammed feed. I just find it a bit hard to believe that the majority if not all the feeds that have been coming on only have tower and maybe 1 freq on it. The feed do have to be approved by site managers do they not ? I do believe there is a certain influence to feeder's to get approved  to put up their sites. My 2 cents. unfortunately there are many here that cannot afford to contribute equipment to the cause and should not be penalized or pestered if they speak their mind here on their opinions. Or why dont the feedrer just alternate at times as well what is fed. Let's not be bashfull and try that out and see what happens. Unless there are objections to this as well.
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2008, 09:47:33 PM »

The feed do have to be approved by site managers do they not ? I do believe there is a certain influence to feeder's to get approved  to put up their sites. My 2 cents.

Site managers?  The only site manager I am aware of is the site founder, Dave.  No one else.  From what I have seen Dave is very happy to take any volunteer's feed, any time, assuming the quality (relatively strong reception, both sides of the exchange, etc) is good and the up-time is more than just a few days a week.   AFAIK there are no other caveats.

I do agree with you that approach and departure should definitely be included in feeds, however the challenge with the larger airports is that there are many departure and approach frequencies.  Trying to cover them all with only one feed makes for an overcrowded feed, given the heavy volume of traffic.  IMO five to seven busy approach/departure sectors is way too crowded of a feed and "so called events" will not be able to be followed by listeners.  But again, this is only my opinion and not some conspiracy.  Really.
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ATC Feed:  Syracuse (KSYR), NY
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2008, 12:33:37 AM »

Personally, I like to have more frequencies covered than less.  When I was running the scanner for myself I had virtually all of the frequencies in the Potomac TRACON scanning and I found that it made for interesting listening.  Sure, there were things I missed but since I am literally 1 NM from the Barin1 arrival path I always knew what was coming over my house !   The IAD Class B space  is obviously very complex .  Given that there can be lots of interesting traffic in and around here it may be worth trading the constant stream of tower traffic and Class B clearances for it.  Considering that my coverage is actually quite good even with aircraft 50-100 miles out isn't worth a shot to see whether this will be of interest ?   
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2008, 10:34:03 AM »

As a self appointed charter member of the "Vast Less Frequency Socialist Conspiracy",  aka the V.L.F.S.C., I must protest the suggestion to add more freqiencies to the feed. Trying to listen to Tower and all the approach frequencies on one radio at the same time would just be a big mess. As a possible solution is there any chance that maybe you could rotate through various configurations, like say monitor the Tower frequencies for a week, then switch to the departure frequencies for a week, then the arrival sectors for a week, etc. ? I realize this is a time consuming option for the feed provider, so offered just as a suggestion only.

Please join the V.L.F.S.C. today and help stamp out frequency congestion. Less is better.

I'm DJ and I approve this message. 

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