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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2008, 11:19:37 AM »

Hi Darryl !!!!!!!!  Been a while. I just find it hard to understand why tower's are only listed Huh  Nice comeback though.  MIA
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2008, 12:12:18 PM »

My 2 cents......

I'm ALL for letting the "listeners" have some input into which freq. get monitored. It doesn't mean you have to comply with every request, but switching things around is a great way to find just the right mix. It also keeps more people interested. People make requests, and I try and accommodate them.

 Now true, ultimately this feed is my responsibility, but I'm providing the KLAX feed FOR the ATC/airline enthusiasts out there in cyberspace. For THEIR enjoyment.

Not mine.

I HAVE another scanner, and I listen when, and to which frequencies I choose.

The cost for my feed has been minimal, and the upkeep is the same. I am sure that it is different for those of you that provide more then one feed. But at this point, feel free to PM with your opinions, requests or comments.


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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2008, 01:11:33 PM »

The feeder for the Various Center Frequencies for Cleveland has always been nice enough to try/comply with my request's for frequency changes as well as the feeder for PIT and the Other CLE ARTCC feed.
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2008, 04:26:55 AM »

Hi Darryl !!!!!!!!  Been a while. I just find it hard to understand why tower's are only listed Huh  Nice comeback though.  MIA

There are some airports where Tower (and other airport-local frequencies) are the only ones that are easy to pick up.  Not all TRACONs or Approach Control facilities transmit from a given airport - the transmitters could be anywhere.  It is simply not true that we only list Tower.  Sweeping generalizations like that are not helpful.

I provide guidance to people who volunteer a feed and are unsure which frequencies to feed.  I almost always initially suggest every possible frequency that might be received clearly *and* be interesting to the audience.  The reason for this is simple.  There is no hard and fast rule for how many frequencies to put on a feed - every piece of airspace is different.  Not all are as busy as IAD, for example, so a few frequencies might be fine and not cause us to miss much activity.

Everyone here is free to comment.  Everyone here is also free to donate to help grow our feeds.  I don't recall any cases where anyone is discouraged from making these kinds of suggestions.  But there is a big difference between making a suggestion and having it acted on immediately (or at all).  I personally take all suggestions to heart, and judge them on their merits, not by who makes the suggestion.  I have been doing this for a while now, and like to believe that I have a total set of skills (aviation and radio communications - combined with many years of listening) that make me the right person for judging the merits of suggestions.  When I sinply don't know I admit it and rely on the suggestions of folks with knowledge of local airspace, etc.

Just to be clear - there is still largely a volunteer site.  I am not comfortable dictating to feeders what they should do.  And I won't allow them to be harassed by listeners to do something they may not want to do.  This is what the forums are for - constructive suggestions ae always welcome.  But some of the criticisms I have seen posted here about feeds are sometimes pretty inappropriate.  I like to think most of us in this community are mature enough to understand that this is not life or death - nobody is going to die if we're missing one or two frequencies that might be interesting.

Everyone needs to take a step back and look at the bigger picture - this is a large, dynamic, ongoing project.  And it will take time to continue building it.  I know this is sometimes hard to take in a world where people increasingly depend on instant gratification.  smiley

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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2008, 10:52:50 AM »

Did not say I wanted instant gratification. Just speaking my free speech right. The alternating idea is a good come to the middle compromise in my mind. I rest my debate here and now on this subject.
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2008, 03:35:32 PM »

Did not say I wanted instant gratification. Just speaking my free speech right. The alternating idea is a good come to the middle compromise in my mind. I rest my debate here and now on this subject.

The alternating idea is OK but a bit flawed in a couple of ways.  People would like to know how to find particular things, hence the listings.  It's very helpful if they are as accurate as possible.  With alternating the feed listing is seldom accurate.  And the feeder has to do work.  Every day.  Or every week.  I wouldn't want to have that burden if I was a feeder (hey wait, I am a feeder).

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2008, 03:55:03 PM »

Correct me if I am wrong but programming 2 additional frequencies in a scanner is not that much of a burden. I remember this being done by a feeder in the middle of my listening and taking no more than 30 seconds unless there is this time consuming process that takes  or 3 hours. Amazing how I rested my case and decided to not talk about this anymore and leave it be that someone had to continue and have the last word. My last transmission. If anyone replies to this post it shows the EGO's that run this site and that they are the rulers of the site. Amazing how another suggestion will be shot down and not happen(alternating).  It will probably happen if someone of high authority or cliqish folks would suggest it. I'll bet money on this or if I suggest that if the feed does have these additional frequencies added Dave you can delete my account on this site. Add them and you can deletre my account.
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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2008, 04:06:48 PM »

Amazing how I rested my case and decided to not talk about this anymore and leave it be that someone had to continue and have the last word. My last transmission.

So you get to state your opinion and then demand when this topic ends?
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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2008, 04:10:40 PM »

Correct me if I am wrong but programming 2 additional frequencies in a scanner is not that much of a burden. I remember this being done by a feeder in the middle of my listening and taking no more than 30 seconds unless there is this time consuming process that takes  or 3 hours. Amazing how I rested my case and decided to not talk about this anymore and leave it be that someone had to continue and have the last word. My last transmission. If anyone replies to this post it shows the EGO's that run this site and that they are the rulers of the site. Amazing how another suggestion will be shot down and not happen(alternating).  It will probably happen if someone of high authority or cliqish folks would suggest it. I'll bet money on this or if I suggest that if the feed does have these additional frequencies added Dave you can delete my account on this site. Add them and you can deletre my account.

We're having a dialogue here.  It's more than programming the additional frequencies - every day or week the feeder has to remember to lock out certain frequencies and unlock others.  I just see that as a hassle.  If a feeder really wants to do that, I won't stop him.  As long as we can list the feed accurately.  As far as how I like things to work, I would rather know what is on a given feed (mountpoint).

I don't understand the hostile attitude.  You said you were exercising your right to free speech.  So am I.  And since I do put endless hours (and money) into developing the site I do feel I have the right to do so, as does anyone here, including yourself.

I was speaking in general terms and not attacking you, so it must be something else you are upset about.  I just don't understand the take-my-ball-and-go-home attitude.  We're all adults here, right?

-Dave


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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2008, 07:38:13 PM »

Did not say I wanted instant gratification. Just speaking my free speech right. The alternating idea is a good come to the middle compromise in my mind. /quote]

Great idea! I'm all for it....but all of a sudden we ended up on this grand 'political' thread ... which started with me thanking the IAD provider...and transformed into this 'free for all' discussion on how no suggestions are taken into consideration. Which in my (now one year old) opinion is totally ludicrous! From what I can telll...the only people in control are the feeders themselves. And living in that area, they should know best on what is "listenable" and what could be conceived as "clutter". I would certainly take Dave;s advise into consideration......but I think I would know what I can pick up at my location.

Here's an example: I live in the Annapolis Valley of Nova Scotia. I am in a location where I can receive most Pilot communication with Halifax Approach and sometimes Tower. As well as some Trans-Atlanic flights. (No controllers). If I decided to feed my scanner to this site .... You would most certainly hear our local Fire Departments as

a) I only own one scanner and ...
b) my local Fire frequencies interst ME...as a feeder.

And I'm almost certain (correct me if I'm wrong Dave) that I would be allowed to do that.

Again....just ranted cause this BS ended up on my tread thanking Terry
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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2008, 12:50:25 AM »

First and foremost I don't take offense at any suggestions on what should be carried on the feed.  I don't think anyone will question the fact that the airspace around IAD is very complex.  Coming up with the right mix of frequencies that provides for interesting listening without too many compromises, however, is not easy. 

Further complicating matters is that the Potomac TRACON transmitters are scattered around the area and my ability to receive some of the desired frequencies varies.  So quality of service is another issue to deal with.

To set the record straight when I corresponded with Dave and others regarding the feed I was not presented with a set of rules about what frequencies to carry or not carry.  The fact is they asked me what I was covering.  Since that time the only discussion regarding the feed has been on this forum.  So, I don't get the sense that there is some bureaucratic set of edicts that govern the feeds.  Certainly, nothing in this discussion is suggestive of that either from my point of view.

In my opinion on a site like this where there are many listeners cycling through a certain degree of consistency should have some weight in deciding what is practical for a feed.  While technically alternating frequency coverage is not a big deal it could cause confusion for those who come upon the site casually.  So in this respect I agree with Dave.

As far as covering more frequencies, I am not opposed.  I think the immediate suggestions from this discussion are good ones.  The feed is barely a week old, however, so my inclination is to introduce change slowly.  I'm interested in other opinions and then willing to make some decisions.

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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2008, 06:17:15 AM »

The best solution for a hub airport is having multiple streams, but that requires more scanners, more soundcards and eats deeper into the feeder's bandwidth. Considering that the feeders are volunteers, we can not force expenses on them. As volunteers, the operators of the feeds are the arbiters of which frequencies to put on the scanner, with Dave making the final decision to feed it from LiveATC.net.

I thank all the volunteer feeders that make this site worth visiting. (And Dave + staff.)
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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2008, 11:26:16 AM »

Hi Terry,

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I'm interested in other opinions and then willing to make some decisions.

When listening to very busy/congested airspace, such as what is found in the IAD area (I'm familiar with it), my personal preference is to concentrate on one "area" like Tower or Departure or Approach, not necessarily one over the other but not all at the same time. This way you can follow what is going on in at least that one area, as opposed to multiple busy sectors that just end up blocking each other out.

Although not my preference the most popular feeds seem to be Tower, as far as traffic volume goes, your feed would be excellent if you just monitored the two Tower frequencies only.

Based on traffic volume, other configurations that would work on their own:

1) Departure: 126.650, 125.050
2) Approach (initial): 126.100, 124.650, 120.450
3) Approach (final): 125.800, 134.200, 128.800 (status?)
4) Approach (high): 125.650, 118.675, 123.825

My personal preference would be option 2) the initial arrival sectors, option 4) would be good too but I doubt there would be much interest. Combining any of the above options would be too busy. Of course this is just my own opinion and I fully respect that others might not have the same preferences. 

These are just "suggestions" and I'm certainly not "expecting" or "demanding" anything. It's refreshing that we can have an intelligent discussion on frequency selection here in this "discussion" forum. Thank you for your excellent response and nice job on the feed setup !

DJ
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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2008, 04:45:49 PM »

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Based on traffic volume, other configurations that would work on their own:

1) Departure: 126.650, 125.050
2) Approach (initial): 126.100, 124.650, 120.450
3) Approach (final): 125.800, 134.200, 128.800 (status?)
4) Approach (high): 125.650, 118.675, 123.825

My personal preference would be option 2) the initial arrival sectors, option 4

So, right now your option 2 (plus the two tower frequencies) is being scanned. 
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