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Offline Chananya Freedman

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Interesting plane questions
« on: January 09, 2014, 06:48:59 PM »
Good afternoon or evening wherever you may be.  It is time for my inaugural post of 2014.  OK, no that I have gotten all the technical jargon out of the way, here comes my questions, names are used to understand this question. 

Dave and Lewis are driving from LA to San Francisco.  They have to stop 5 times because Lewis gets car sick.  The next time they decide to go to San Francisco and lewis is fine, thats understandable.  But the question is like this, why is it that someone feels all the turns in a car and can really get car sick but a plane, they don't feel the turns at all.  How is a plane able to be so smooth?  Part of me thinks that sometimes planes are made out of old car parts.  I don't even know if I am right but I'm using this post as a learning experience, for me and anyone else.

I don't know if this is the right forum to post this in but I am doing my best.

Happy New Year everyone, I look forward to having fun with this thread.



Offline RonR

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Re: Interesting plane questions
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2014, 11:51:15 PM »
Hello Chananya and Happy New Year to you!

The big difference between a car making a turn and a plane making a turn is that when a plane makes a turn it banks to one side or the other.  For example, if a plane makes a left turn, it banks to the left (left wing down, right wing up).  It is this banking action that keeps the gravitational forces on the passengers in the plane the same as if the plane were flying straight and level.  As long as the plane doesn't "slip" in the turn, the passengers will sit there comfortably and may not even notice that they are turning.  The wine glasses will stay on the tray tables, etc.

When a car makes a left turn, there is no corresponding bank in the road to equalize the gravitational forces on the body.  The car is turning left but the car is still level.  Because of this, you feel a force pushing you to the right.  The faster you go in the same turn, the more of a force you feel pushing you to the right (or pulling, however you want to look at it).

Another thing to consider is that a car is very small and lightweight compared to an airplane.  A car can make these left/right turns much more abruptly making any movements much more perceptible to the body.  When a large plane turns, it does so slowly and again, in most cases, you  might not even notice anything is happening unless you happen to be looking out a window.

I hope this makes some sense...was this what you were looking for?

Ron
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Offline InterpreDemon

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Re: Interesting plane questions
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2014, 11:08:13 AM »
It also depends upon the size of the plane, flight conditions and the skill/experience of the pilot when it comes to smoothing out a bumpy day or deliberately making the passengers toss their cookies... which is also entertaining.


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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 12:27:19 PM »
Yes it's entertaining as long as I'm not the one tossing those cookies :)

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Re: Interesting plane questions
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2014, 03:44:05 PM »
This has more to do with human physiology than anything.  The vestibular system in the inner ear is what tells your brain motion signals, so to say.  The fluid in the vestibulars moves around the 3 axises with whatever environment you're in, and sends the corresponding message to the brain about how you're moving about an axis.  This is very much tied into sight, as combined sight and vestibular movement, the brain will interpret exactly where it is in space.

Relating to the example OP provided, movement in cars are typically more abrupt than a transport pilot would typically make.  That same transport pilot is also flying the aircraft on autopilot most of the time, which further makes things smoother.  Inputting a turn into an autopilot usually creates a very smooth, predictable, flat turn, thus resulting in the sensation that it didn't actually occur to everyone sitting in the back - especially with limited visibility outside the cabin.  Combined with other systems, like yaw damper, the computer systems on most all modern transport aircraft make flight easy and smooth.  Not only that, but most flight profiles are rather straight and direct, at constant cruise speed.

In a car, there are almost endless amounts of corrections.  Bumps, turns, curves, avoiding hazards, braking, accelerating, hills, valleys, etc., thus making the fluid in the vestibulars constantly in motion.  It's no different than being on a long, drawn out roller coaster.  The sick feeling comes from the eyes seeing a mostly motionless interior of the car (amplified in the back seat), and the constant sensory conflict between the eyes, ears, and other senses.  Other than being in constant moderate or higher turbulence, if you think about it, riding in a car isn't a very smooth task.

As a side note, when training for IFR, you're generally taught to keep your head down and inside because the same car sick feeling can occur because the brain processes motion on the instruments, but you're surrounded by gray.  The pilot term is spacial disorientation.  If you also start fixating on finding the ground while you're in a cloud, things can go awry awfully quickly if you're not paying attention to your instruments.  You're taught to overcome your vestibular sensations and trust your instruments completely.  Doing anything else could possibly kill you.

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Re: Interesting plane questions
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2014, 01:00:15 PM »
Thanks guys this all looks interesting, And appreciate your help.