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« on: September 21, 2005, 07:58:56 PM »

So Cal feed 50% full....unbelivable.....
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2005, 08:03:05 PM »

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So Cal feed 50% full....unbelivable.....


No, that's not 50% full...that is 50% of all LiveATC listeners are listening to that feed right now.
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2005, 08:44:07 PM »

Stream listeners: 557 of 616 total listeners
90% listening to this stream
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2005, 08:51:50 PM »

I'm listening to So Cal now, but there is a loud buzzing sound, almost like double transmissions and I can't really hear them clearly.  Airbus A320 has a problem with a landing gear that is broadcasting on CTV NewsNet.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2005, 08:55:29 PM »

We are trying to cover the news from the feed and the TV on the Jet Blue emergency landing
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2005, 09:31:27 PM »

Jet Blue and Airbus have probably been rehearsing this for months.  What a great Public relations move.  rolleyes

It really was a nice landing though.  I've had harder landings with GOOD landing gear.
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2005, 09:33:58 PM »

Was that a text book landing or what!
Excellent job by the flight crew...  Cool
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2005, 09:34:37 PM »

lol, Im sure they didn't plan to have a loss this quarter.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2005, 09:38:29 PM »

and he landed exactly on centerline!!!!
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2005, 09:41:32 PM »

I saw the landing and I thought his straight-in approach was with a localizer.  Didn't know about that front tire if it was gonna catch fire for good or not.  I'm impressed!
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2005, 10:04:06 PM »

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and he landed exactly on centerline!!!!


That's the most amazing part. That crew should get their pay trippled.
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2005, 10:07:17 PM »

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and he landed exactly on centerline!!!!


If you mean by that picture from CNN.com, that is a computer generated image and not a real picture from the landing.

Also notice how CNN tried to sensationalize the news?  "Flames shot off the front landing gear as the plane ground to a halt with firefighters at the ready."

I didn't see any grinding going on and a brief flare from the nose gear but it didn't SHOOT flames.  

Can't they report the facts anymore?  First they report a fuel dump (which the A320 can't do), then they can't agree if it landed on 24R or 25L.  Next they might say that they think it landed at JFK instead of LAX. sheeesh.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2005, 10:14:32 PM »

How long does it take for the archives to be updated?  It was so busy between 8:30pm till the plane landed I never got a chance to hear the SOCAL audio.... I now will rely on the archives! Smiley

And about that landing.. WOW!!  It was "picture perfect".  Almost better than some normal landings i have seen!    Just by seeing the landing you could tell the pilots were very calm and acted very accordignly.   I can't WAIT till I complete all my flight training and get my commercial licence!  I LOVE AVIATION!!
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2005, 11:40:21 PM »

A big applause for the pilots and crew members.  An emergency is tough to deal with, especially when 145 people are aboard.  These pilots acted in a calm, professional manner which is the key to sucess in any emergency.  I was a very proud pilot when the A320 touched down; I couldn't have asked for a more perfect landing.

Please feel free to post your kudos to the pilots and controllers.
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2005, 11:51:51 PM »

Great landing.....  did u notice there wasnt spoilers or reverse thrust? can someone explain that?
And yeah....it was an ILS aprox.....
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2005, 11:52:43 PM »

Very impressive!  I just saw the video and couldn't believe it went that well.  The crew deserves a big pat on the back for that one.
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2005, 11:55:13 PM »

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did u notice there wasnt spoilers or reverse thrust? can someone explain that?


Just a guess but I thought it would shift the weight forward onto the nose gear, increasing the likelihood of a collapse.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2005, 11:58:36 PM »

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and he landed exactly on centerline!!!!


If you mean by that picture from CNN.com, that is a computer generated image and not a real picture from the landing.

Also notice how CNN tried to sensationalize the news?  "Flames shot off the front landing gear as the plane ground to a halt with firefighters at the ready."

I didn't see any grinding going on and a brief flare from the nose gear but it didn't SHOOT flames.  

Can't they report the facts anymore?  First they report a fuel dump (which the A320 can't do), then they can't agree if it landed on 24R or 25L.  Next they might say that they think it landed at JFK instead of LAX. sheeesh.


Wow...I would expect a post like this to be on airliners.net where everyone gets flamed or "Flared" depending on how you want to phrase it.

I just heard on the unreliable cnn tv that the B6 passengers actually got to watch coverage of the situation on the in flight entertainment system!  Now that beats peanuts and a coke any day of the week.
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2005, 12:09:58 AM »

I'm surprised that the crew did not turn the system off since it would make more problems than needed for them (pax becoming more anxious, more questions, no answers for them, etc, etc)

To answer the question about no reverse thrust, I'm not too familiar with the A320, but (I thought the spoilers were deployed, but I may be mistaken) I have to take a different opinion then frantzy.  If you've every heard of the story of airliners "backing" out of there gates if no tugs are available (on certain a/c) using reverse thrust, if the brakes are applied quickly, the tail will shoot down, hit the ground and force the nose up in the air.  (Imagine, a plane to a rocket ship tongue)  I believe that reverse thrust would relieve nosewheel pressure unless it would never be used.  If the thrust direction was changed 180 degrees (reversed) then the high amount of drag (mostly caused by thrust but partly parasite) would relieve nosewheel pressure as it comes down.  If it forced it further down [into the runway] that could cause damage to the nosewheel and strut.  Not an expert on this, but it doesn't seem to be rocket science (No pun intended John M.  cheesy )

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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2005, 12:26:39 AM »

JALTO, local news in Missoula did the same thing, almost called them up to tell them to cool it after the following comments;

"The aircraft skidded wildly down the runway..."

"...could have ignited the highly explosive jet fuel."

Well, that was one of the smoothest landings I've ever seen, didn't see any wild skidding. Jet fuel explosive? Hmmmm, speaking as a fuel CQ manager at MSO, jet fuel is flammable. It's not explosive unless it's dispersed into a mist.  Media. rolleyes
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2005, 12:39:49 AM »

media = entertainment.....I guess they did their job if we kept watching!  But then again I know nothing about the media business and will not comment on them any further.

And now moving on.....hopefully they can now use this situation for training new and experienced pilots around the world on how to handle emergencies like this and keep our behinds even safer while traveling the skies.  Good job to the pilots and crew for safe landing and keeping the passengers calm.

PS...my "unreliable" cnn comment was a joke!

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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2005, 01:36:31 AM »

For the question of why the reverse thrust wasn't used...

The answer is simple.. momentum/inertia. Smiley

Think about it.. you feel pushed forward when the plane rolls out and the reverse thrusters are activated. just like breaks on a car. With the front gear sideways, if the reverse thrusters were used, the front gear would have collapsed. Not a good thing.. so let it coast, and what you see is history. Smiley

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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2005, 01:53:07 AM »

Thanks a lot for the answer... When I was watching the landing I was screaming for spoilers hehehe
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2005, 06:31:49 AM »

Wow!

I missed that on SoCal feed cause I happened to be at our airport doing a bit of plane spotting but I just watched the video.

As one who is slowly learning (so forgive any errors), that was a stunning piece of airmanship from the crew.  Cool, calm, collected.  Knew exactly what they needed to do and did it.

All I need to do now is find the archives. Tongue
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2005, 06:36:12 AM »

I was just listening to a radio station online from London Ontario, and heard comments from passengers who were thrilled, excited and very pleased with the manor the pilots landed that aircraft.  

"It was the best landing I have ever seen! "
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