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Offline Jolly009

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« on: January 10, 2006, 11:55:11 AM »
Here in Las Vegas, NV this is a heated debate and argument.  I will just start off by saying this, I am for this change, I will be in the new Departure Path, I am already on the arrival leg for 1L/R.  

The plan is to reinstate the right turn, that was taken away in 2001 out of runway 25L/R.  Right now the Planes Head on out roughly 3DME and then head Left then onto their destination once out of the Las Vegas Valley as to not disturb anything.  The Las Vegas City Counsil has voted to make changes to this plan... but how can they this is in the air, Las Vegas does not control the AIR?  FAA has extended public talks on this....WHat are your thoughts?

Here are correspondences from the Two Senators from Nevada:
Dear Mr. Schultz:

Thank you for taking the time to contact me about the Federal Aviation
Administration's (FAA) proposed new path for flights departing from Las
Vegas McCarran International Airport.  Your interest in this issue is
important to me, and I am always grateful to those who take the time to
inform me of their views.

As you know, the FAA is considering authorizing a new flight path for
planes departing McCarran for eastern destinations.  Instead of heading
south, flights with eastern destinations would loop around to the north,
reinstating a route that was ended in 2001.  The new route would take
planes over downtown Las Vegas, the Las Vegas Medical District, and
residential communities like Summerlin, Spring Valley, and The Lakes.
According to the FAA, this change would increase McCarran's carrying
capacity, decrease departure delays, and increase fuel efficiency at the
airport.  The FAA has extended its public comment period on the proposal
until January 13.

Like many Las Vegans, my home too is in the path of the proposed route.
No one wants airplanes regularly flying over their heads.  That said,
tourism is extremely vital to Nevada's growing economy, and airport
capacity should never be a factor that limits our prosperity in Southern
Nevada.  This is an issue that needs to be studied very carefully, taking
into account economic factors and safety concerns.  I would encourage you to make your views known to the FAA as they are required to consider yours and other people's views as part of their public comment period for finalization of this proposal.  Please rest assured that I will closely monitor this situation, and I will be sure to keep your opinions in mind.

You should be aware that I am working hard to find a way to advance
earlier the opening date of Southern Nevada's newest airport, Ivanpah,
that will be constructed near Jean along Interstate 15.  A second airport
will be extremely beneficial for our long-term quality of life because it
will take pressure off of McCarran that is generated by the continuing
growth in the Las Vegas Valley.

Again, thank you for your comments.  Should you have any other questionsor comments or would like to contact me in the future regarding another issue, please do not hesitate to either write or e-mail me via my website at http://ensign.senate.gov.

                     Sincerely,
JOHN ENSIGN
United States Senator

Dear Mr. Schultz:

   Thank you for contacting me regarding the Federal Aviation
Administration's (FAA) proposed change to flight departures from McCarran International Airport.  I appreciate hearing from you.

In October 2001, the FAA implemented a plan at McCarran that redesigned the flight path for several arriving and departing flights.  One of the major changes enforced in this plan was a reduction of right-turns for eastbound departing planes from Runway 25.  This resulted in changing the flight path of most of these planes over neighborhoods in the western and northwestern part of the valley to many neighborhoods southwest of the airport.  Due to increased air traffic at McCarran, the FAA has proposed to reinstate the right-turn from Runway 25.  The FAA's proposal, much like the 2001 flight path, is intended to increase safety, eliminate air traffic congestion, and reduce aircraft delays.

The FAA released the proposal for public review on November 22, 2005 at: www.awp.faa.gov/atenviro.  Public comments were accepted during public meetings at Sierra Vista High School and Centennial High School on
December 12 and 13, respectively, and the FAA is accepting written
comments until January 13, 2006.  I encourage you to also share your views with Landrum & Brown, the firm the FAA has hired to work on the proposed flight path plan:

8755 W. Higgins Road, Suite 850
Chicago, IL 60631
773-628-2901 (fax)
shassert@landrum-brown.com




I understand your concerns with the airplane noise and this process.
McCarran faces numerous challenges as the nation's sixth-busiest airport
in one of the fastest growing metropolitan areas.  As you know, today
virtually all of McCarran is surrounded by residential development.
Amending flight patterns to meet the concerns of local residents,
travelers, airlines, the Clark County Department of Aviation, and FAA
safety regulations is an extensive, detailed process.  Please be assured
that I will keep your views in mind as this process continues.

   Again, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me.  For more information about my work for Nevada, my role in the United States Senate Leadership, or to subscribe to regular e-mail updates on the issues that interest you, please visit my Web site at http://reid.senate.gov.  I look forward to hearing from you in the near future.

My best wishes to you.
Sincerely,

HARRY REID
United States Senator

YES SEEMS THE SAME E-mAIL hmmmm...

FAA: Web site about change www.awp.faa.gov/atenviro

MAP:  http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Dec-06-Tue-2005/photos/news.jpg

a web site not in favor : http://www.stoptherightturn.com

Let me know, in 20 words or less... j/k



Offline ngreed

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2006, 12:13:34 PM »
I am for the change...

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2006, 12:57:42 PM »
I am not, and not for the reasons people have already indicated.

I live in Summerlin (3DME W of VGT), and what people complaining there about noise is pure crap. there has not been a plane past midnight[1] that has created any noise whatsoever in that area. 7 years ago, when Vegas didn't have RNAV, the OASYS2, MEAD2, and REDRK2 departures were the main ones used to go south into SoCal. It was MEAD2 that gave a right turnout, went completely around the city, and joined the BLD R-213 to HEC. You know what happened when that was in effect? People in Henderson and Sunrise mountain complained about noise. The FAA listened, and created the first version of RNAV and the 4 Corners Post.

Now that those have worked wonderfully, in which the departures have gone over unincorporated/non-residential land, companies started to build homes and businesses on that land, underneath the now pre-existing flight path. And, preposterously, they complain about noise. How stupid can they be? They build homes underneath the departure corridor that had been there for a good 5 years (RNAV started in Summer 2001), and think they have the right to complain that airport noise is a problem? It's a crock, plain and simple.

The only departure to still have a right turnout off of the 25s is the STAAV2 departure, which is only available on request and approval of LSV RAPCON, as it goes through their airspace.

I don't see how you're in the departure path, should they change, as you're on the arrival for 1L/R, which is south/southwest of the field. If you were to be in the departure path, you'd be on the arrival path for the 19s, which won't be going anywhere to begin with. I used to live under that path, as well as the Showboat VFR path to VGT before moving.

To be honest, people are complaining about a situation they naively put themselves in, that should have thought about it prior to moving into that new home they had built for them in South Summerlin.

BL.

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2006, 01:55:16 PM »
TYKETTO---I am Roughly 4-5DME N-NE of LAS.  (Nellis Blvd)  All the arrivals (mainly business fast movers) from the East Coast into the 1R (since 1 L is closed) have their base leg over my area.  They come in over Lake Mead, continue descent into the FAF for 1R and turn final near the Stratosphere.  I can count the windows on the Southwest Planes that go over me.  And by the rough drawing the new plan will have the planes around 7-10k above me and climbing.  I love it... Great picture opportunites as well as for my scanner.

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2006, 02:17:25 PM »
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TYKETTO---I am Roughly 4-5DME N-NE of LAS.  (Nellis Blvd)  All the arrivals (mainly business fast movers) from the East Coast into the 1R (since 1 L is closed) have their base leg over my area.  They come in over Lake Mead, continue descent into the FAF for 1R and turn final near the Stratosphere.  I can count the windows on the Southwest Planes that go over me.  And by the rough drawing the new plan will have the planes around 7-10k above me and climbing.  I love it... Great picture opportunites as well as for my scanner.


You're the other way around. If you're N/NE of KLAS, you're on the arrival path of the 19s, as they'd be making the base turn to final over you, going towards the south. I was in that path as well (Charleston and Mojave), in which I saw those all the time.

Also, this will kill the bulk of the arrivals for General Aviation and Janet, who use the right traffic pattern entry to the 19s, with their base turn being abeam the Stratosphere. That, combined with the normal left traffic entry helps out GA quite a lot, leaving the major carriers with the 25s, and the 19s, as traffic permits.

BL.

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2006, 06:40:52 PM »
rgr that 19's forgive me......  Yeah and with the tour Helicopters riding along Charleston Inbound for the Executive Terminal and outbound over Tropicana....